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E220/E270/E280 Estate - Opinion on a Merc - chesterfieldhouse

Hello, l would welcome forum members opinion on the merits of a Mercedes E class estate car (auto); as we need a vehicle with a big boot. l'm looking at an (approx') 7/8 year old model & undecided as to the 2.1, 2.7 or even the 3 litre diesel engine. looking at the data, in terms of the economy etc; there doesn't seem to be much between them.

The sensible option would be perhaps a VW Passat 2 litre estate, in terms of an all round estate however, l really fancy a Merc'.

E220/E270/E280 Estate - Opinion on a Merc - gordonbennet

Facelift, so 07 on W211 estate is the one to go for, 4 cyl engine is surprisingly good E220/250, and in private hire use round here get used for 400,000 well maintained miles and sold on still running well.

The bigger engines are obviously faster but you tend to get more complicated gearboxes with them.

Don't know about a Passat being sensible, electric parking brake being the obvious ticking time bomb.

Edited by gordonbennet on 16/02/2016 at 19:52

E220/E270/E280 Estate - Opinion on a Merc - chesterfieldhouse

Facelift, so 07 on W211 estate is the one to go for, 4 cyl engine is surprisingly good E220/250, and in private hire use round here get used for 400,000 well maintained miles and sold on still running well.

The bigger engines are obviously faster but you tend to get more complicated gearboxes with them.

Don't know about a Passat being sensible, electric parking brake being the obvious ticking time bomb.

Yes, l had heard that the electronic brake on the Passat was causing a few problems. As you say, there must be something in high mileage use, perhaps more expensive to buy & run; but in the long term.........

E220/E270/E280 Estate - Opinion on a Merc - johncyprus
Can't comment on the big Merc estates but FWIW don't be afraid of getting an old Merc. I bought a 13 year old CLK ( albeit a one owner low mileage ) two years ago and it's been great. Just a word of caution be careful, buy a good one because they are very expensive to repair and don't go near any Merc dealer workshop for any work, find a good Indy.
E220/E270/E280 Estate - Opinion on a Merc - gordonbennet

Yes the good indy is a must, those private hire Benz' i mentioned earlier are maintained old school from new at my MB specialist indy.

Parts cost is part of the reason why those more restrained models are the ones to go for IMHO, having owned an older one thats top of the range for the past 13 years (you could go higher but special order with bored out engines etc) some of the regular parts are unique to the larger engined models and some parts can be 20X the price...eg a replaceable bottom ball joint on the more usual models being around £13 from MB, where the same part isn't replaceable on the top spec so its a new bottom arm wishbone @ around £250 each, a new heated rear window (its on its third cos they're laminated and are prone to delaminating) are £450 for an aftermarket well bought one.

Having said that MB's are very good for being able to buy individual parts from the main dealer where with other originally cheaper makes you end up buying a complete unit where a simple part costing pennies has failed, best sticking to the more usual models for this though, avoiding air suspension like the plague.

I mentioned facelift W211's, suggest the OP does make sure its a facelift so go 07 on and still check, lots of changes to the later model where some silly and stupidly expensive quirks on the pre facelift were ironed out.

Edited by gordonbennet on 17/02/2016 at 08:06

E220/E270/E280 Estate - Opinion on a Merc - 72 dudes

I echo GB's and johncyprus's comments.

You can rule out the 5 cylinder E270 if you're talking 7/8 years old as the E280 V6 had replaced it by then. The E250 was not available at that time, so your choice becomes between the E220 and E280 (or indeed the E320).

Even the E220 has 170 BHP and boat loads of torque. The 4 cylinder engine is vocal and rumbly at low revs but refined in day to day use.

If you fancy treating yourself and going for ultimate wafty smooth progress, I would say go for a V6. They had the 7 speed auto gearbox, which GB says is more complicated, but AFAIK is still fairly bullet proof. Economy is surprisingly similar across the 3 engines.

A good MB indy is vital, servicing will cost more than the average family car. Try to find one that appears cared for (tidy clean interior, stacks of invoices, proper history etc).

Come back and tell us what you find.

E220/E270/E280 Estate - Opinion on a Merc - John F

I have known only a few friends and acquaintances with MBs but without exception they have cost a fortune in both depreciation and service/repair costs. That is why I have been pleased that my decision to stick with carefully chosen used Audis since 1993 has proved to be a wise one.

The Brits, and especially the Asian community, appear to have an irrational fascination with the marque which in my opinion is totally unjustified.

They are also, IMHO, one of the few makes which have tended to look old when they are new. Audi, vice versa. I suggest the OP considers an A6 quattro estate if he doesn't want to be too sensible.

PS I have no connection with the firm, merely an admirer of their usually brilliant design and engineering, and their ethos which results in both their regular success at Le Mans and reliability of their more mundane products - with one or two exceptional blips.

E220/E270/E280 Estate - Opinion on a Merc - DirtyDieselDogg

I have known only a few friends and acquaintances with MBs but without exception they have cost a fortune in both depreciation and service/repair costs. That is why I have been pleased that my decision to stick with carefully chosen used Audis since 1993 has proved to be a wise one.

The Brits, and especially the Asian community, appear to have an irrational fascination with the marque which in my opinion is totally unjustified.

They are also, IMHO, one of the few makes which have tended to look old when they are new. Audi, vice versa. I suggest the OP considers an A6 quattro estate if he doesn't want to be too sensible.

PS I have no connection with the firm, merely an admirer of their usually brilliant design and engineering, and their ethos which results in both their regular success at Le Mans and reliability of their more mundane products - with one or two exceptional blips.

I have known only a few friends and acquaintances with MBs but without exception they have cost a fortune in both depreciation and service/repair costs. That is why I have been pleased that my decision to stick with carefully chosen used Audis since 1993 has proved to be a wise one.

The Brits, and especially the Asian community, appear to have an irrational fascination with the marque which in my opinion is totally unjustified.

They are also, IMHO, one of the few makes which have tended to look old when they are new. Audi, vice versa. I suggest the OP considers an A6 quattro estate if he doesn't want to be too sensible.

PS I have no connection with the firm, merely an admirer of their usually brilliant design and engineering, and their ethos which results in both their regular success at Le Mans and reliability of their more mundane products - with one or two exceptional blips.

E220/E270/E280 Estate - Opinion on a Merc - DirtyDieselDogg

MB, based on my own limited "Gay" Wagen experience, are superb at providing parts for older models, often surprisingly cheaply, and "way back then " in the 90's and before, superlatively engineered/over engineered and easy to work on, even for a 1/2 competent DIY'er.

Also now work is running almost exclusively MB refuse vehicles, parts availability is 100%, compared to some other refuse vehicle suppliers, and again MB are often cheaper than Iveco(for sure).

We dont yet run a MB car, but I might yet .

MB dealership hourly rates WOULD make my eyes bleed, however delectable the totty serving the petit fours on the Thomas china is.

Marcus

E220/E270/E280 Estate - Opinion on a Merc - chesterfieldhouse

Ha....still wouldn't pay main dealer service prices; for any make. Thank you to all for your opinion, views & experience, lots to think about, as usual pros & cons. Will be looking to buy in the autumn, so plenty of time to try before l buy.

E220/E270/E280 Estate - Opinion on a Merc - Happy Blue!

I have an E-class estate. its the W212 (I think) so the model newer than what you are looking for. The 6 cylinder engines are sublime and pull like a train for not much worse economy on a run, but are celarly thirstier around town.

They are lovely cars, but you need one that has been cared for. There must be NO RUST or paint defects otherwise the 30 year body warranty would be invalidated. I almost bought a car with some bubbles around the wheel arch. Luckily i walked away...

You also need a good local independent mechanic.

E220/E270/E280 Estate - Opinion on a Merc - Steveieb
My E320 came with a full MB service history which entitled me to transfer the Roadside assistance from M B specialists and 3 days car rental if you use the Main Dealer for the repair.
E220/E270/E280 Estate - Opinion on a Merc - mengl

I think the E220 estate makes the most sense - proven engine (2.15L OM646) and autogearbox (722.6 5G) - also the most common variant.

German taxi drivers don't run the E Class for nothing! I think I can count on 1 hand the number of non-E Class German taxi's I've seen, and all those have been the Prius (another bullet-proof car!). The A6 simply doesn't get a look in.

E220/E270/E280 Estate - Opinion on a Merc - chesterfieldhouse

l feel, based on peoples experience & opinion plus, as contributors have stated, larger bodies of evidence such as private hire, taxi drivers etc that the E220 diesal auto; has the style, kudos & practicality l'm looking for.

E220/E270/E280 Estate - Opinion on a Merc - mengl

There's nothing really to look for out-of-the-ordinary with the model of E Class you're looking for. Just make sure it's got FULL service history from main dealer or an MB indy specialist (you'll be wanting receipts/print-outs from MB main dealers as these models had the electronic service book ie no physical service book). Make the sure the gearbox fluid has been changed at least once in the car's life (sealed for life is nonsense and the normal interval was 37K miles on this auto gearbox).

E220/E270/E280 Estate - Opinion on a Merc - John F

. German taxi drivers don't run the E Class for nothing! I think I can count on 1 hand the number of non-E Class German taxi's I've seen, and all those have been the Prius (another bullet-proof car!). The A6 simply doesn't get a look in.


I think the MB German taxi driver has become a bit of a myth.

www.ft.com/cms/s/0/62b860d0-808a-11d9-bd50-00000e2...l

E220/E270/E280 Estate - Opinion on a Merc - mengl

....from an article written in 2005! The E Class is still THE German taxi of choice.