60s/70s classic - Tall driver - Ken-Leeds

I am thinking seriously about buying a classic hobby car. I am retired and I do not have unlimited funds. I am limited by the width of my driveway which meand the car must not be wider than 1.6m (give or take). I like the look of a Wolseley 1500/Riley 1.5 or possibly a BMC ADO 16. I am 1.86m tall (6'1"). Are there any tall drivers out there who can give me some guidance eg suitability of my selections or viable alternatives?. Many thanks, Ken

60s/70s classic - Tall driver - bathtub tom

Old cars are money pits, repeat, old cars are money pits.

I was in the same position as you and was considering a car (perhaps Scimitar) or motorbike. Instead, I took myself off to my local motor museum and volunteered. Now I play with old cars and someone else picks up the bill.

60s/70s classic - Tall driver - Ken-Leeds

Thanks Tom, old cars are money pits, got it, this will be my mantra!.

60s/70s classic - Tall driver - galileo

Back in the 1960s I had a mate who had a Riley 1.5, I seem to recall he was almost 6 ft and had no problem in fitting in it.

The Riley 1.5 was a good deal quicker than the Wolseley version (had an extra carb). A quick look on a classic car site suggests prices between £650 and £10,000, depending whether a project or really immaculate. Like all 60s cars rust is the killer, careful inspection, especially underneath, is essential.

ADO16s (1100/1300) are also prone to corrosion, the hydraulic suspension system can also give problems (an uncle had one, which I found ok to drive but that was only a year old)

Austin Cambridge/Morris Oxford Farina versions are listed as a millimetre or two over your 1.6 metre width, would have a bit more room inside.

My local indy used to specialise in Morris Minors, the front suspension is prone to allow a wheel to collapse if not checked and tightened as necessary, one of the weak desugn points - Riley/Wolseley share this so be aware.

60s/70s classic - Tall driver - Ken-Leeds

Thanks Galileo, Morris Minors are cute and there are certainly plenty out there. If I see one for sale nearby I'll check it out and sit in it. My initial thought was an MGB GT which ticks all the boxes, when I sat in one I realised straight away that entry and egress are totally impossible with any semblance of dignity.

60s/70s classic - Tall driver - craig-pd130

Do you like Triumph Vitesses? Lovely to look at and have that characterful straight six, which puts them in a different class to the Austin / Morris cars of the time.

They're quite narrow but roomy inside, and although the bodies rust like any other 60s / 70s British car, they have a chunky chassis which means the rust often isn't terminal. They have a good club supporting them (Triumph Sports Six Club) and lots of spares.

But as Bathtub Tom said - all old cars are money pits. The only difference between them is how much money you chuck into the pit. Buy the best you can find, that has the biggest wad of receipts for work done and parts bought, and make sure it has a current MOT that shows some miles between tests.

20 years ago I had a lovely MGB GT V8, it was in excellent nick as it was a largely unused garage queen. Even then, sorting out the problems from lack of use (sticking calipers, seized UJ on the propshaft, weeping head gasket, failed fuel pump, limp coolant hoses, holed exhaust) cost the thick end of £750 parts and labour.

But if you want something to play with and have trips out in, it can be enormous fun.

60s/70s classic - Tall driver - bathtub tom

The problem with Vitesses (and GT6s) are their weak gearbox and diff - if you drive them using their power. However if you mimse around like you're in a Herald, then you may as well buy a Herald or Spitfire!

60s/70s classic - Tall driver - Ken-Leeds

Interesting point Tom.

60s/70s classic - Tall driver - Vitesse6

The problem with Vitesses (and GT6s) are their weak gearbox and diff - if you drive them using their power. However if you mimse around like you're in a Herald, then you may as well buy a Herald or Spitfire!

The early 1600 Vitesse had the same diff as the herald 1200 so was a bit feeble. Having said that the diff on mine lasted some 43 years and 80,000 miles before shearing the inner axle shaft. The later models had stronger shafts and were a lot stronger. Never had a problem with the gearbox other than a bit of a whine in second. Overdrive was nice and made for more relaxed cruising.

60s/70s classic - Tall driver - bathtub tom

The problem with Vitesses (and GT6s) are their weak gearbox and diff - if you drive them using their power. However if you mimse around like you're in a Herald, then you may as well buy a Herald or Spitfire!

The early 1600 Vitesse had the same diff as the herald 1200 so was a bit feeble. Having said that the diff on mine lasted some 43 years and 80,000 miles before shearing the inner axle shaft. The later models had stronger shafts and were a lot stronger. Never had a problem with the gearbox other than a bit of a whine in second. Overdrive was nice and made for more relaxed cruising.

Perhaps it was me then and my driving style that broke the first motion shaft, then the planet wheel carrier?

60s/70s classic - Tall driver - Ken-Leeds

Thanks for your thoughts Craig, if a decent Vitesse (even a Herald 13/60) came up I would certainly look at it, a Hillman Minx is also in the running, both well built cars. I am in Leeds and my feeling is that local car club-wise I'd be better off with a BMC product.

60s/70s classic - Tall driver - daveyjp

If you have never been pay a visit to the Harewood Classic Car Show which is held on Fathers Day weekend - mid June.

Lots of cars to look at, lots of owners to talk to and quite often a few cars for sale.

60s/70s classic - Tall driver - Ken-Leeds

Thanks daveyjp, I tried to get there last year and left it much too late to leave home. The traffic was backed up to the grammar school. Once bitten twice shy!, I'll get out of bed earlier this time around. I did go the the car show in Otley which was terrific but at that stage I hadn't made a decision to buy a classic.

60s/70s classic - Tall driver - Avant

I don't think you'll have a problem with dimensions: most cars were quite a bit taller then than they are now, and also narrower.

60s/70s classic - Tall driver - Ken-Leeds

Thanks Avant, with the cars I've sat in (particularly that MGB GT) the problem is with the leg room rather than the headroom. I remember as a kid most of the drivers wore a hat so your point is well made!.

60s/70s classic - Tall driver - Mick Snutz

Ken, you lucky whatsit!

Sounds like you now have the perfect excuse to visit all the local classic car shows in the Spring/Summer and ask owners nicely if you can sit in their cars and try 'em out.

Good luck in your search

60s/70s classic - Tall driver - Ken-Leeds

Thanks Mick, I don't need much of an excuse because my wife enjoys the shows too!. I've decided to approach the local car club in the meantime to establish whether I can join as a potential classic car owner, even on an associate basis. If they fall for it I will be able to quiz the members and get tips on classic friendly workshops around Leeds. I've been advised on here to get the best quality car possible at my budget rather than the bargain fixer-upper. Since I started researching this hobby I've seen the following type of ad so often. For sale Whizz-bang GT de Luxe. spotless, ready to show, painstakingly restored over the last two years: £9,000.00 ono, bills for £15,000.00!!!!!!!!!!.

60s/70s classic - Tall driver - SteveLee

Hillman or Sunbeam Imp - the prices are still affordable but are starting to rocket - you could wear a top-hat in one despite it being a very compact car. Cars that could be picked up for lose change 5 years ago are now a couple of grand.

60s/70s classic - Tall driver - Ken-Leeds

Steve, they're certainly scarce but also quirky (interesting engineering too), worth a look for sure.

60s/70s classic - Tall driver - galileo

I had 3 Imps in the 60s/70s, a 1965 model, these early ones had a smaller clutch than the 1968 model I had next, then a 1970 Husky estate. Clutch change is quick and simple, only took me a couple of hours.

Early ones had more positive camber on the front wheels too.

All Imps had an alloy bodied water pump bolted onto the block, these tended to fail if coolant wasn't in A1 condition, you could get recon kits though (did two!).

The rubber doughnuts in the rear drive shafts are another PITA when they fail, (rumour has it the same doughnuts were fitted to Lotus Elans) but I believe there may now be a steel conversion kit to replace these.

Apart from these little issues, I rated Imps as better than Minis (had a 1971 Mini 1000) as more spacious, stronger body shell and good economy and performance. (MInd you, when one needed a decoke I ran it on Shell 100 octane till I part ex-ed it to minimise pinking - they were about 10:1 compression, I think.)

60s/70s classic - Tall driver - Ken-Leeds

Thanks Galileo, I'll certainly put the Imp on my list of possibles. I think the design of the Imp still looks fresh, it wears it's age well!.

60s/70s classic - Tall driver - Big John

How about the Ford Escort. This is less than 1.6m wide (just - 1.57) but has enought room for taller drivers (I'm 6ft 4" and was OK in one). Oily bits are robust and very easy to maintain. Lovely crossflow Kent OHV engine (especially if you fit the 1.6) and the gear selection was the best (probably still is). It was rear wheel drive and when you selected top gear you were effictively directly connecting the gearbox input shaft to the output shaft efficient and this meant gearboxes lasted forever. Other cars with 5 speed or FWD always had to pass drive via gears.

The Escort steering is also a rack and pinion steering rack and really good - seems normal today but it wasn't fitted to many cars of the day back then.

Earlier versions with drum brakes on the front were "entertaining" to say the least but these could easily be brought up to date with disc brakes if this hasn't already been done

With all old classic cars condition is all especially re the body and interior - Mechanical bits are generally reasonably easy to fix/re-condition

Good luck with your classsic car find..

60s/70s classic - Tall driver - Ken-Leeds

Big John, I'd love a Mark 1 Escort but they are going for crazy money at the moment. Good Mark 2s are heading the same way fast. My budget is £5grand (plus a bit spare for fettling), so I have to look at less fashionable alternatives. There is a guy down South somewhere who is bringing in cars from South Africa (often Escorts) and they seem better value, however there is a risk attached - cars from the Highveld, Johannesburg, Pretoria etc are often totally rust free because of the fabulous climate. A car that spent its life in coastal Durban, East London or Cape Town on the other hand will be nearly as rusty as its UK cousins.

60s/70s classic - Tall driver - Avant

If you're prepared to look at something newer, the MG Maestro EFI was (perhaps surprisingly) a good car. Not the original 1.6 MG Maestro nor the Turbo (if I remember right, bith were unreliable) but the 2.0 fuel-injected late 1980s (something like C to H prefix registration) MG could be a future classic.

The compensation for the rather dumpy shape is that tall drivers have no problems, and all-round visibility is excellent.

Edited by Avant on 30/01/2016 at 17:35

60s/70s classic - Tall driver - bathtub tom

>>MG Maestro EFI

Didn't that have the "O" series engine? The worst engine I've had in any car.

60s/70s classic - Tall driver - galileo

Contemporary with the Maestro we had Montegos as company pool cars, OK in my experience of both models (though many derided them at the time as unreliable and not as good as German products).

However, a quick search on "how many left" suggests there are few if any of either to be had.

60s/70s classic - Tall driver - Ken-Leeds

Another interesting byway, Galileo and Tom. I lived in South Africa for 35 years, coming back in 2005 so I missed all the Montegos and Maestros, thus there is no visceral connection as with the 60s stuff of my youth. If classic car purchases were logic driven there is a fabulous low miles 1975 Van den Plas 1500 (Allegro) for sale in Thirsk for £2900. It's spotless inside, outside and underneath and it would just squeeze in down my driveway. It's a no-brainer but it doesn't have that sprinkling of fairy dust that makes us do illogical, outrageous things, like buying a classic car!.

60s/70s classic - Tall driver - Big John

Another interesting byway, Galileo and Tom. I lived in South Africa for 35 years, coming back in 2005 so I missed all the Montegos and Maestros, thus there is no visceral connection as with the 60s stuff of my youth. If classic car purchases were logic driven there is a fabulous low miles 1975 Van den Plas 1500 (Allegro) for sale in Thirsk for £2900. It's spotless inside, outside and underneath and it would just squeeze in down my driveway. It's a no-brainer but it doesn't have that sprinkling of fairy dust that makes us do illogical, outrageous things, like buying a classic car!.

Sorry if i'm nuts but I loved my Allegro 1750 superb sport - pulled like a steam train and had a five speed box (unusual for a 1973 car). Also had great seats. Economy was ok as far as I remember - combination of great power to weight and an SU carb. Was good for the taller driver as well!

The Van den plas used the 1500 version of the same engine with 5 speed box with chain driven overhead cam(as fitted to the Maxi)

Rusted like crazy though...

Edited by Big John on 30/01/2016 at 22:35

60s/70s classic - Tall driver - bathtub tom
Sorry if i'm nuts but I loved my Allegro 1750 superb sport - pulled like a steam train and had a five speed box (unusual for a 1973 car). Also had great seats. Economy was ok as far as I remember - combination of great power to weight and an SU carb. Was good for the taller driver as well!

The Van den plas used the 1500 version of the same engine with 5 speed box with chain driven overhead cam(as fitted to the Maxi)

Rusted like crazy though...

Couldn't fault those engines ("E" series). The 1500 in the Maxi had the cable gearchange, whilst the 1750 had the rods - the rods were bad enough (I'll change down to 3rd, try again, try again, sod it I'll find 2nd), but the cable change was worse. Don't know what system the Allegro had.

I always reckoned the Allegro was an underated car, despite all its detractors

60s/70s classic - Tall driver - focussed

I have often hankered after an old classic recently - then I remember the endless hours and money I spent as a just- married 20 odd year old trying to keep the 1960's built hopeless UK rot-boxes on the road and legal.

A bit of talk about MGB's on here - I bought a 1967 BGT in 1972 - the sills were as rotten as a pear - in five years - be warned!

I had a run out in a 30 year old Caterham Super 7 twin-cam yesterday that a guy over here was selling. Suffice to say that my hearing had just about recovered by this morning but my osteopath will be in profit this month!

60s/70s classic - Tall driver - Big John

I have often hankered after an old classic recently - then I remember the endless hours and money I spent as a just- married 20 odd year old trying to keep the 1960's built hopeless UK rot-boxes on the road and legal.

A bit of talk about MGB's on here - I bought a 1967 BGT in 1972 - the sills were as rotten as a pear - in five years - be warned!

Indeed, I became rather an accomplished welder repairing/restoring 60's & 70's rot boxes. However if some have been well restored/rustproffed and are still alive now they should possible last the duration.

However my welding days are probably over- can't affor the chiropractor fees to put me back together. I am afraid I'm now the 1960's rot box!

60s/70s classic - Tall driver - craig-pd130

A bit of talk about MGB's on here - I bought a 1967 BGT in 1972 - the sills were as rotten as a pear - in five years - be warned!

I second that. Mine was fine as it had been rebuilt and well rustproofed. But even though it's 20-odd years since I sold it, I can still assess the soundness of an MGB at a glance :)

60s/70s classic - Tall driver - focussed

A bit of talk about MGB's on here - I bought a 1967 BGT in 1972 - the sills were as rotten as a pear - in five years - be warned!

I second that. Mine was fine as it had been rebuilt and well rustproofed. But even though it's 20-odd years since I sold it, I can still assess the soundness of an MGB at a glance :)

That sounds a bit like my old one that I rebuilt - WAR 239E originally tartan red, the silly woman I sold it to had it sprayed blue! The wings and sills I had Ziebarted internally in black.

60s/70s classic - Tall driver - Ken-Leeds

Thank you focussed and all of the other enthusiasts that took the time to reply to my query. I feel I have a better grip on how to proceed from here onwards, and look forward to having a classic in my garage come spring/early summer. Your input has been sincerely appreciated.