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audi A3 - the modern horror of a new car - FoxyJukebox

Fixed on board sat navs? electronic handbrakes? reversing warning bleeps? fobless ignitions? no spare tyre? advanced IQ required to read dashboard warning lights? a PHD to understand/operate the audio system. I'm a pretty IT confident senior citizen but-BUT i am going to stick with what I've got till it drops for the time being. All this modern rubbish is no good to me, I have been trained to drive a car and look after it.

Another thing, never forget that anything automatic has a reliable habit of going wrong,going wrong,going wrong.....

audi A3 - the modern horror of a new car - nailit

IF

THEN

ELSE

GOTO electric_car

It's inevitable :-)

audi A3 - the modern horror of a new car - Bolt

Fixed on board sat navs? electronic handbrakes? reversing warning bleeps? fobless ignitions? no spare tyre? advanced IQ required to read dashboard warning lights? a PHD to understand/operate the audio system. I'm a pretty IT confident senior citizen but-BUT i am going to stick with what I've got till it drops for the time being. All this modern rubbish is no good to me, I have been trained to drive a car and look after it.

Another thing, never forget that anything automatic has a reliable habit of going wrong,going wrong,going wrong.....

If certain companies get their way you wont have to worry about all the above, as you tell vehicle where to go and sit back.

The only parts of your post I agree with is EPB and no spare wheel, there do seem to be a lot of drivers that cannot reverse even with the bleeps telling them they are close enough to a post/wall to stop,so in that respect that is a waste

Fobless ignitions are more a security problem than anything else and I cannot understand how lazy a person can be to need it

with modern anything being automatic, I dont understand why these should go wrong, and can only assume they are built to last a short time, or are poorly manufactured, in this day and age almost everything should last years

audi A3 - the modern horror of a new car - RichT54
There's hope for me yet! At age 61, I can manage most of these systems on my A3 OK, although I would prefer a manual handbrake.

The built in sat-nav works well and no trailing wires is a bonus (although using a dash cam negates that). The cost of updating the maps however is extortionate.

I like parking sensors, so specified them front and rear and they work well. Keyless ignition was an option on my 2014 A3, mine has a conventional key. The space-saver spare wheel came as standard.

There was a bit of a learning curve getting familiar with the dashboard and audio controls, but I find it all quite logical.

audi A3 - the modern horror of a new car - gordonbennet

I can manage any stuff they stick on new cars after a while, however most of the faff i don't need and don't want so i don't buy it, simple as...there's always an alternative, that 's the beauty of freedom of choice.

I had reason to drive one of my boss's company cars a few weeks ago, that was a high spec A3, underwhelmed yet again would be my one word summary but thats how i feel about the vast majority of the modern vehicle world, cars or lorries, it was competent enough on the road that's for sure but no better nor worse than anything else on offer driving the wrong wheels.

The final nails in its coffin though was when i was reversing up to the narrow posts in our yard, no way would the reversing sensors pick those up so i opened the door to look behind which i have been doing for some 40odd years, the parking brake immediately applied itself, brill...then i had the rigmarole of keyless go locking, was the thing locked or not, try the door after you've locked it and it opens, one can only hope it works once you're out of range, more unecessary faff.

Oh nearly forgot, had to move one of our new Merc lorries t'other day, in the dark and having never been inside one before, took me twenty minutes from opening the door to actually moving it 15 yards forwards, lots of lovely gizmo's such as BMW style start/stop button and they've shifted everything from where its been for donkeys years on previous merc lorries, these industrial tools are going to last really well over the coming 5 years and 800,000kms i have no doubt...where's the sarcasm button?

Edited by gordonbennet on 17/01/2016 at 13:38

audi A3 - the modern horror of a new car - xtrailman

I like all the modern equipment, and such as auto wipers or lights i don't have to use there is a manual option.

Even the auto gearbox can be used in manual. I find it annoying that i have to turn the S/S system off every time i restart the car, but thats about it.

The front and rear parking sensors i can turn on or off via the dash switch, only the rear view camera i have little control over, but i wouldn't be with out one. Same as the tyre monitoring system.

I always specify sat nav and the larger the screen the better, blue tooth works for me enabing hands free calls and texts or emails, along with using my smart phone for a wi-fi hotspot i very happy with these auto gadgets.

I even use the automatic speed control if i want to keep legal or just give my right foot a rest. As for music i'm very happy with the modern music options over yesteryear, USB, CD, DAB, Fm, or bluetooth from the phone.

Whats not to like?

Edited by xtrailman on 17/01/2016 at 14:38

audi A3 - the modern horror of a new car - Wackyracer
[quote]Oh nearly forgot, had to move one of our new Merc lorries t'other day, in the dark and having never been inside one before, took me twenty minutes from opening the door to actually moving it 15 yards forwards, lots of lovely gizmo's such as BMW style start/stop button and they've shifted everything from where its been for donkeys years on previous merc lorries, these industrial tools are going to last really well over the coming 5 years and 800,000kms i have no doubt...where's the sarcasm button?[/quote]

That reminds me GB. Some years ago when I was given an Actros for some time, I found if you just jumped in and turned the key all the way to start. It would have a hissing fit and the engine would crank but, would not start. You had to turn to ignition on and wait for it to do something before you turned the key to the start position. Yet the Volvos and DAFS etc. never did this and it wasn't just a faulty truck, the other Mercs did it too.
audi A3 - the modern horror of a new car - Avant

I quite see where you're coming from, Doubleug, although I don't think that Audi A3 is by any means the worst offender. The controls in VW Group cars are more intuitive than many: you can change the temperature ion the car without prodding a touch-screen that works when it feels like it (Peugeot / Citroen) and the indicators and wipers work with a logic that I can understand, unlike those in SWMBO's Mini.

audi A3 - the modern horror of a new car - Engineer Andy

I personally don't see the reason why any car needs an electronic handbrake - either the driver isn't capable of pulling hard enough on it to engage it, in that case they should'nt be driving at all as they don't have the strength/manual dexterity to control the car generally/operate the other controls (even if power-assisted) or is, and thus a manual handbrake should be fine (I mean, how often do they fail these days? Does anyone know someone who's car suffered a failure?).

Just another electronic gizmo to go wrong that adds another £500 to the price and 'looks flashy' (the main reasons why our German friends add it). If, in 20, 30 or 100 years time people are only using auto-drive cars (i.e. on human driving input after telling it where to go), then fine.

I think everyone agrees about the lack of any spare tyre - whoever thought that one up deserves to be sacked, or worse. Save weight by not increasing the size of the car for each new version and use new weight-saving materials and manufacturing methods.

The ICE, sat-nav and general controls and displays, well, that's more down to idiots making things look flashy/stylish rather than easy to use - form over function - car designers are getting too far towards the 'interior designer' end of the range and further away from the engineering designer (including ergonomics). get the function stuff right, then concentrate on making it look nice without compromising (much) the functional aspects - it can be done with a bit of thought - its sheer laziness than it isn't.

Edited by Engineer Andy on 17/01/2016 at 15:22

audi A3 - the modern horror of a new car - dimdip

The ICE, sat-nav and general controls and displays, well, that's more down to idiots making things look flashy/stylish rather than easy to use - form over function - car designers are getting too far towards the 'interior designer' end of the range and further away from the engineering designer (including ergonomics). get the function stuff right, then concentrate on making it look nice without compromising (much) the functional aspects - it can be done with a bit of thought - its sheer laziness than it isn't.

Presumably it's the design brief from the marketing department that dictates this kind of, er, 'bling' <shudder>

Customer focus groups must be saying that this is what they want now. We appear to be a nation of gadget fans. Unfortunately the new generation of motoring journalists seem to value this kind of frippery, too, so perhaps they are partly responisible driving this kind of form over function.

It is less of an issue for owners who buy a car new and sell-on while still in warranty. It's the secondhand owners who will be disadvantaged when these comlicated systems fail.

I'm also in the camp that prefers simplicity and function before form and get frustrated even when the aircon comes on when windscreen ventilation is selected. Perhaps a Caterham and set of waterproofs for the next new car..

Edited by dimdip on 17/01/2016 at 16:45

audi A3 - the modern horror of a new car - Doc

I'm also in the camp that prefers simplicity and function before form and get frustrated even when the aircon comes on when windscreen ventilation is selected.

I agree. This action irritates me, along with auto headlights and auto wipers.

To the car: I'll decide thank you; not you!

audi A3 - the modern horror of a new car - xtrailman

I remember making up units to allow variable wiper control. A good auto wiper system rarely requires manual intervention.

As for over complicating ICE systems, what can be simpler than selecting from a screen or using voice commands?

audi A3 - the modern horror of a new car - Engineer Andy

The ICE, sat-nav and general controls and displays, well, that's more down to idiots making things look flashy/stylish rather than easy to use - form over function - car designers are getting too far towards the 'interior designer' end of the range and further away from the engineering designer (including ergonomics). get the function stuff right, then concentrate on making it look nice without compromising (much) the functional aspects - it can be done with a bit of thought - its sheer laziness than it isn't.

Presumably it's the design brief from the marketing department that dictates this kind of, er, 'bling' <shudder>

Customer focus groups must be saying that this is what they want now. We appear to be a nation of gadget fans. Unfortunately the new generation of motoring journalists seem to value this kind of frippery, too, so perhaps they are partly responisible driving this kind of form over function.

It is less of an issue for owners who buy a car new and sell-on while still in warranty. It's the secondhand owners who will be disadvantaged when these comlicated systems fail.

I'm also in the camp that prefers simplicity and function before form and get frustrated even when the aircon comes on when windscreen ventilation is selected. Perhaps a Caterham and set of waterproofs for the next new car..

Its one of the reasons why I've always admired the Mazda MX-5 and Honda S2000 - both great looking cars (both inside and out), very reliable, easy to use (excellent soft top mechanisms) and has just the right amount of kit (with options if you want more). Its one of the reasons why I chose my Mazda3 (and considered the Honda Civic/Jazz [2004/6 model], as they share some of its genetics with the MX-5 and S2000 respectively - I find my car has almost the right amount of kit I need, I rarely have to look away from the road to change any settings on the ICE (no sat nav - too expensive/not needed at the time I bought it) or other settings on the car, and those that are occasionally required are at my fingertips, easy to use and have, bar one minor fault (fixed in a few minutes at a service) never let me down.

On the other hand, colleagues' cars, loaded up with gizmos and complex systems regularly go wrong or need you to take your eyes off the road to make modest changes to settings - some cars I've been driven in have very odd switches and indicator stalks and aren't intuitive to use.

Too many makes over the years have not followed the KISS (keep it simple stupid) rule - it took BMW 10 years to get the i-drive system to a level that wasn't too bad to use - note that Mazda only introduced such a device only relatively recently once all the problems were ironed out, which, to me, says a lot about the competancy of certain manufacturers, and why, despite some better offerings from VAG of late (the 3DR Golf and Seat Leon) I will probably still end up buying a Japanese car next time.

audi A3 - the modern horror of a new car - slkfanboy

I pursonally dont think it a modern car issue with your A3. It think it's more that you have to do it the way that Audi way or not at All.

Every time i get in an VW/Audi it seams you have to do it VW/Audi or not at all!

For example manaully releasing the handbreak on the last hire car required the gear N the clutch down and the foot on the break, else pressing the release button didn't work! My old jag built back in the day. Electric handbrake released when you pressed the button. Much easier on a hill start!

As for SAT nav. i just use my iphone which can be bluetooth connected to car speakers. Much better navigation & route selection and cheaper. Only slight downside is that you need Wifi or mobile data to get a route. Thats not been an issue thu. Compared to the mega inflated prices car companies charge for rather basic kit, it's more than an acceptable trade-off

audi A3 - the modern horror of a new car - John F

Every time i get in an VW/Audi it seams you have to do it VW/Audi or not at all!

Not true - at least not in my old A8. You don't have to use the auto wipers or headlights. You can turn the bright front running lights (or whatever they're called) off on sunny days. You can put the key in the door lock, boot lock or ignition and turn it if you want to. You can change gear manually if you wish. However, there is no crank handle in case of flat battery.

audi A3 - the modern horror of a new car - nailit

"However, there is no crank handle in case of flat battery." - John F

Ridiculous, I certainly shall not want/buy one of those cars then.

audi A3 - the modern horror of a new car - P3t3r

I believe one advantage of the electronic parking brake is that it can act on all four wheels in an emergency and use ABS. This makes it stop much quicker than a manual one. However, it's rubbish for everyday use and I have never needed to use a handbrake in an emergency.

I don't really see the need for all this tech. Automatic wipers drive me mad and I bet these kind of things are a nightmare when they go wrong.

I personally find the A3 uncomfortable for long journeys. I can't quite understand why people pay a premium for one.

audi A3 - the modern horror of a new car - Wolfan

I'm in my late 60s and I'm quite happy driving a car with just a decent heater and radio, winding a window down is not a problem for me as yet so even the installation of electric windows in modern cars is not essential. both my 52 reg Vectra owned for many years and my 04 reg XJ8 have more gismos than I can be bothered to use or investigate but I do enjoy driving both. it's illegal to use a mobile phone whilst driving and the amount of technology incorporated in modern cars is more distracting than those. I have no interest later cars, they all look the same and unless I can see the badges I have no idea what make they are. When I was a child in the 50s every make of car had a distinctive engine, gearbox and exhaust sound and were easily identified. Style and individuality has long since disapeared and manufactures have to try to replace these with other things.

audi A3 - the modern horror of a new car - RickyBoy

...I personally find the A3 uncomfortable for long journeys.

It's clearly a case of different strokes for different folks then? I did 220-miles in the A3 Sportback last Sunday, spent over 6-hours on my feet inbetween the journeys at the National Cyclo-Cross Championships and never felt a 'twinge' at any point! I can't quite understand why people pay a premium for one.

Quite simply, because I can!...

Oh, and,

yes, most of us fail to see the 'benefits' of the electromechanical parking-brake over a manual one, but in this instance it's there so I can't avoid using it. Its presence didn't deter me from buying the car;

the spare is a space-saver, so acceptable in this day and age, but again, yes, I'd much prefer a full-sized matching alloy, however I carried one of those around in my Octavia vRS for 12-years and only ever used it once;

the sat-nav is a 'Brucie Bonus' most of the time – particularly for that final mile or two of anywhere that you don't know quite well and/or to pinpoint a specific street, however, it would only let me input the SY of SY1 last week – plain refused to input the numeral – but fortunately I knew precisely where I was heading because I'd checked my exact route on a MAP (remember them) beforehand;

the Audi MMI is (to my mind) 'idiot-proof' to navigate around/understand after you've familiarized yourself with it's workings – takes 30-mins max;

I 'paired' my mobile in 5-mins and i'll be 65 next month!

But, the thing that really, really annoy's me the most (and it's the first button I reach for as soon as/whenever I enter the vehicle) is the utterly useless & unwanted (by me) Stop-Start feature!!! Same on the daughter's Mini when I drive that. Manufacturer's – listen up – I'm not interested in saving a thimble-full of gas(oline) a day, really I'm not.

Apart from that it's crackin'...


audi A3 - the modern horror of a new car - Avant

"Presumably it's the design brief from the marketing department that dictates this kind of, er, 'bling' <shudder>

Customer focus groups must be saying that this is what they want now. We appear to be a nation of gadget fans."

I agree - it's probably customers who want (or think they want) complex info-tainment systems that 'sync' with their mobile phones (not me - I just turn the thing off whern I'm driving, as Vodafone obligingly provide me with a messaging service free of charge). But there are people who want all this stuff - fair enough.

The point that a lot of us are making on this and other threads is that few if any customers have asked for electronic handbrakes and the deletion of a spare wheel.

audi A3 - the modern horror of a new car - RickyBoy
Re: mobiles I'm best described as a 'light-user' Avant!

Have made just two 'in-car' calls on the system in 15-months. It's PAYG and I put £20 on it in Jan 15. Still have 6.50 left, but to some folk 'communication on the move' is clearly vital - either for business or pleasure - and I fully understand/accept that.

It's those different strokes again...
audi A3 - the modern horror of a new car - RickyBoy
Apart from that it's crackin'...

...actually, there is (from my point of view) one more annoying niggle that I'd forgotten...

the positioning of the (single disc) CD-Player. It's located inside the glove compartment on the passenger's side. Not very conducive when you want to change CDs whilst driving by yourself/at 70mph on a 100-mile stretch of motorway (given that most recordings offer only approx 50+mins of music)? The vRS had a 6-disc thing in the boot which I could load-up with over 300-mins of Megadeth – enough 'metal' to get to Leeds and back then!

Now I realize that's it's a 'generational thing', but I like my CDs and don't download music. OK, so there's an iPod connection in the centre console but I don't have/want one of those. There's both an AUX socket and a USB-slot in the centre console of the i10, so clearly the way in which we're expected to access our 'sounds' these days – fair enough but not for me.

Now, I'm no 'luddite' when it comes to new technology advancement but I'm not sure how I'll cope in a cashless society!

Cheers...
audi A3 - the modern horror of a new car - RichT54
The CD unit in my glove compartment has two slots for SD memory cards - I currently have a 32GB SDHC card in one slot and leave it on random play.
audi A3 - the modern horror of a new car - Smileyman

6 cd changer on random is good, what is essential is to remove the need / desire for driver to be distracted by the device when driving - so long playing option is probably the safest option too

audi A3 - the modern horror of a new car - meldrew

Maybe it is a problem that affects us oldies more than most. My essentials are heated seats, rear parking sensors, and headlights that let you actually see where you are going!

Mrs M's BMW coupe has all those and yes, you can enjoy driving it too. No satnav but a digital Garmin is awesome particularly for advance warnings of hold ups.

As for me, I have just checked the air in my bike tyres.........

audi A3 - the modern horror of a new car - FoxyJukebox

When originally posting-I made the mistake of putting my own car model in the "box" --as requested by Honest John admin team

Of course-my soft "rant" is across all modern makes/brands -not just Audi-who actually are relatively sensible still(just about!)

audi A3 - the modern horror of a new car - Ethan Edwards

Simple. Don't buy a complex car. It's possible to get into a basic car for a lot less cash. 8k for an i10 or look at a Dacia.

You do have free will and plenty to choose from you know.

It's not compulsory to buy an Audi even if it is the preferred ride of the "classy" Essex geezer.

audi A3 - the modern horror of a new car - RickyBoy
...I'm a "classy" Yorkshireman Ethan...
audi A3 - the modern horror of a new car - Ethan Edwards

Well I thought Yorkshiremen were more sensible with their coppers than to buy a overpriced VW in a frock? ;)

I stand corrected. Mind you it seems to be almost compulsory round 'ere in Efficks to own an Audi and the latest iPhone. Must be nice to be in such an exclusive group...

audi A3 - the modern horror of a new car - RickyBoy

...look after the pennies and the Audi, Hyundai or whatever looks after itself!

Continued happy motoring to yourself Ethan, whatever you drive...

audi A3 - the modern horror of a new car - xtrailman

It is Edward.

audi A3 - the modern horror of a new car - Engineer Andy

Problem is you can rarely get 'basic' and reliable/long-lasting. A lot of the most respected/reliable Japanese/Korean makes have gone up-market and its more difficult finding a basic car without too many gizmos on it and for a reasonable price.

I would hesistate very much about buying a Dacia, which is effectively a cheap 'n' cheerful Renault (who aren't exactly famed for their reliability, even in the basic elements of their cars). Its one of the reasons I bought a K11 series Nissan Micra 1 ltr 'S' as my first car - reasonably low priced to buy/run, decent reliability and not too much to go wrong (on that model [yes, it was made in 1996, so not so much of a surprise] no A/C, no electric windows of other electric gizmos, manual tilt/slide sunroof [my only 'luxury item'] and a radio/cassette player. Not much to go wrong.

I'm always surprised (especially given how so many young people/students complain about how 'poor' they are [especially when having to pay out for university tuiton fees and living out] and yet many still buy cars loaded up with all the toys - you see less and less 'basic' cars driven by them, and yet they would be perfect for the cost-conscious motorist.

audi A3 - the modern horror of a new car - Avant

It seems to be a peculiarly British thing to want lots of extras with their cars, and manufacturers and dealers laugh all the way to the bank.

The French mostly don't go for them, and this is no doubt why they have less trouble with French cars and stay loyal to them. The basic bits on French cars are generally more reliable than the extra electronic gizmos.