FIAT 500X CROSS PLUS - Is it really a proper 4x4? - Ms L
I am looking to buy a 4x4 next year (will be in a financial position to do and will be possibly moving to an even more rural area than where I currently live) that has space for a number of cat baskets in the boot and possibly a dog or two in the future and one that will cope well with rural roads and in the snow. I will be part exchanging an Audi TT Quattro 1.8 225 convertible (very impractical re pets and snow etc!!) so would like a good/fun looking vehicle and also not one that’s massive to drive. The Fiat 500x Cross Plus has been suggested to me which looks lovely but I'm not sure despite what Fiat gives the impression of, whether this is really going to be the size and 4x4 practical capability that I'm looking for. What do you think and is there an alternative or 2 that may be better?
FIAT 500X CROSS PLUS - Is it really a proper 4x4? - Falkirk Bairn

Subaru Forester

FIAT 500X CROSS PLUS - Is it really a proper 4x4? - oldtoffee

Recently moved to rural Herefordshire and the area is populated with products from in order of popularity Land Rover (no real surprise there) Suzuki, Subaru and then Hyundai, Kia and Dacia products with Skoda Yetis and a few Audi qs. Not seen a Fiat 4x4.

FIAT 500X CROSS PLUS - Is it really a proper 4x4? - Ms L

Might meet you then 'oldtoffee' as thats where I'm very likely to be moving to!

FIAT 500X CROSS PLUS - Is it really a proper 4x4? - Avant

I agree with Falkirk Bairn - a Subaru will last you a lot longer than a Fiat. It's also quite a bit bigger, and only you know what size of car you'll need.

As well as the Subaru Forester, I suggest you look at the Toyota RAV-4, the Ford Kuga and the Skoda Yeti. Some people swear by Land Rovers - even more swear at them.

FIAT 500X CROSS PLUS - Is it really a proper 4x4? - gordonbennet

Agreed, Subarus are well regarded here for good reason, well apart from the Diesel which is probably best avoided.

FIAT 500X CROSS PLUS - Is it really a proper 4x4? - daveyK_UK

agree Suburu are the best.

the Fiat 500x is really a Jeep - its a decent car and demonstates Fiats continual improvement.

I would also consider a Dacia Duster, 14 plates and onwards are Romanian built and I know 3 people who have the facelift Romanian bult dusters (64 plate and 2 with 15 plate) and they all rave about them.

FIAT 500X CROSS PLUS - Is it really a proper 4x4? - Ms L

I'm now going to have a look at a Subaru Forester - I hadn't considered one of those. Some of the on-line reviews I have read have recommended the diesel version - what is the problem with that and which version would you suggest? I am looking for a manual AWD.

FIAT 500X CROSS PLUS - Is it really a proper 4x4? - Ms L
Not sure I meant an AWD, but I it has to be a 4x4 and a manual version.
FIAT 500X CROSS PLUS - Is it really a proper 4x4? - DirtyDieselDogg

I suppose the Audi TT reference tells me all I need to know.

BUT

One simply does not need a 4*4 because one lives in the country.

Any Front Wheel Drive, winter or all season tyres and learn to drive, properly with sympathy towards the laws of Physics.

4*4 will get you moving, yes, but all cars have a braked wheel at each corner and generally only 2 wheels doing the steering.

A proper 4*4 fitted with Sloane Ranger tyres is actually even worse

So control of ones direction and stopping are no different in a 4*4.

seriously.

So essentially a 4*4 allows idots who cannot drive, to think they can drive, therby inconviencing those brought up in the countryside who generally can drive, even humble Front Wheel Drive cars.

The more important part of living in the country is to learn that one can get ones car dirty, by actually moving from the crown of the country roads and running the nearside wheel in the mud along the edge.

Like country raised folk have been doing all their life.

oh ps also learn to read the road ahead, and be able and prepared to reverse, when playing chicken with a Fendt 930 hauling a 5000 gallon Joskin slurry tanker dont work out

marcus

Edited by DirtyDieselDogg on 19/12/2015 at 08:30

FIAT 500X CROSS PLUS - Is it really a proper 4x4? - gordonbennet

I don't know what the reason was for the undercurrent attitude in the previous post, nowhere in the OP's question or subsequent answers has there been any reason for such an attitude to this, far as i know, new poster.

Ms L, the reason i said to avoid the Diesel version was that the engine has not proven durable long term (the problems may now be fixed if you are buying new or almost new) and i would have a good study of HJ's reviews above and see what he has to say on the subject, maybe also find some Subaru forums and read up what owners, not road testers, think.

If you check HJ's review of current model he doesn't go into it too much, however it basically the same car as the 2008/13 model but in a new frock, so see whats in the good/bad section re Diesel version.

www.honestjohn.co.uk/carbycar/subaru/forester-2008...d

I haven't driven a Diesel myself but its supposed to suffer from turbo lag, ie no guts until the rev get to a certain level and then it finds itself, this from experience of Diesels is a common and most frustrating situation, but i may well drive differently to you, so best to get a test drive and judge for yourself.

Quite why Subaru didn't Deiselise the 2.5 boxer instead of the 2.0 litre i shall never know, not often they make a mistake, being one of the very last engineering led makers.

The newer petrol versions are supposed to be a lot better on fuel than previous, and if looked after the whole car has an enviable record for reliability and long life.

As you are coming from a fast car, you could always find yourself an XT version, which will be as quick as your Audi with stupidly good grip and only those who know what they are would guess, a true wolf in sheeps clothing.

They are all full time 4WD, and will come already fitted with tyres good enough to take you almost anywhere, it defnately won't come sitting on Sloane Ranger tyres/wheels...:-)

Whatever you decide to buy, enjoy your new home and whatever car you choose.

Edited by gordonbennet on 19/12/2015 at 09:16

FIAT 500X CROSS PLUS - Is it really a proper 4x4? - daveyjp

Current XT Forester is a CVT auto.

Edited by daveyjp on 19/12/2015 at 09:38

FIAT 500X CROSS PLUS - Is it really a proper 4x4? - madf

I live in rural STaffordshire - further North and close to teh Peak District. Most 4x4 drivers manage to get stuck on ice round here in winter..- it's all about driving properly. I see no need for a 4x4 unless you live in an area which has snow every year and drifts.

Otherwise it's wasted...unless you drive off road a lot. I travel lots of single track roads and most 4x4s avoid them as they are too wide/long and unwieldy..

FIAT 500X CROSS PLUS - Is it really a proper 4x4? - Boroman
If you really need a 4x4 and since rural often equates to narrow lanes there is one obvious choice. Fiat Panda 4x4, Cross or Trekking.
Highly regarded, seem to be reliable and very capable off road.
FIAT 500X CROSS PLUS - Is it really a proper 4x4? - 72 dudes
If you really need a 4x4 and since rural often equates to narrow lanes there is one obvious choice. Fiat Panda 4x4, Cross or Trekking. Highly regarded, seem to be reliable and very capable off road.

But no good to the original poster, as she wants to get cat baskets and a couple of dogs in the boot. The Panda has just enough room for a 6 pint carton of milk.

The OP needs to decide whether she needs a 4x4 or likes the idea and style of one (nothing wrong in that). If it's the latter than the 500X could be a contender. Do check the boot space though, not very big.

An alternative might be an estate car?

Edited by 72 dudes on 19/12/2015 at 15:57

FIAT 500X CROSS PLUS - Is it really a proper 4x4? - RT

Mainly because most 4x4, 4WD, AWD cars/SUVs are sold fitted with summer tyres.

I'd rather have a 2wd car on All-Season tyres (if location doesn't justify winters) than a 4wd car on summers.

FIAT 500X CROSS PLUS - Is it really a proper 4x4? - Boroman
AFAIK all those Panda's come with all weather tyres as standard.
FIAT 500X CROSS PLUS - Is it really a proper 4x4? - gordonbennet

The few Panda Cross's i've delivered new were fitted with Conti winter tyres, whatever time of the year they were supplied.

FIAT 500X CROSS PLUS - Is it really a proper 4x4? - daveyjp
My recent Forester review.

I've now done 4,000 miles, car ahs just shy of 13,000 on the clock and no issues. Brake discs were changed under warranty and the steering shake has gone.

www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=110321

FIAT 500X CROSS PLUS - Is it really a proper 4x4? - Avant

Ms L, I should have said above 'welcome to the forum' and as moderator I'm sorry that you have been given a lecture or rural driving which I'm sure you don't need.

Depending on the number of cat baskets and/or dogs that you need to carry, if none of the 4x4s we've suggested are big enough (and I'm fairly sure the 500X won't be), you could also look at a Skoda Octavia Scout. This is an estate with a lot of room and a part-time 4x4 system. And as a roomier alternative to the Forester, there's the Subaru Outback.

FIAT 500X CROSS PLUS - Is it really a proper 4x4? - Ms L
Thanks to everyone for their replies, they have been most helpful - although one contributor seems to have made a number of assumptions about me (all totally wrong!) purely it seems based on the fact I currently drive an Audit TT! Not at all relevant to my original question - but for their info, I have lived in a rural area for the last 8 years and have received specialist high level driver training for my job, so although it may be a bit of a struggle, I think I might possibly be totally fine driving a 4x4 and also when I move to Herefordshire.)
I do need a 4x4 - for a number of practical reasons (not just because I like the look of one) - in relation to what I am planning for next year onwards.
As there were so many suggestions regarding the Subaru Forester, I went to a dealer and had a good look at one this afternoon (on my own, I might add! - as I have done with all the cars I have bought in the past, and also got some good deals) and it seems to be exactly what I’m looking for. (The sales manager also suggested that the petrol version would probably best for what I require.) As a result I have booked a test drive for the week after Christmas so fingers crossed.
Using this forum has been most beneficial and I have really appreciated the time people have taken to reply to me. Anything to do with cars or driving still obviously suffers from a few patronising chauvinists, but my experience has been very positive overall, so I would consider using the forum again. What I have wanted from posting on this forum has also hopefully been achieved, so thank-you!!

FIAT 500X CROSS PLUS - Is it really a proper 4x4? - 72 dudes

That's excellent Ms L, and I'm glad you've taken the time to reply! Enjoy the test drive and perhaps let us know your impressions and what you decide to do next.

FIAT 500X CROSS PLUS - Is it really a proper 4x4? - gordonbennet

It's the Hereford connection that worries me, specialist training? whatever Ms L says is ok by me..:-)

Agreed, thanks for coming back and we're all looking forward to further updates if you would.

Edited by gordonbennet on 19/12/2015 at 20:38

FIAT 500X CROSS PLUS - Is it really a proper 4x4? - jgrahampo

The new Ssangyong Korando 2.2 looks interesting too.

I have a mk1 forester a great car but the new one is much bigger, did you try the XV too?

Edited by jgrahampo on 19/12/2015 at 20:45

FIAT 500X CROSS PLUS - Is it really a proper 4x4? - Falkirk Bairn

Please be aware that the "new Forester cars" being sold just now are 2015 Models. Announced and available in the USA (and other countries) is the 2016 model.

2016

Not radically different from the 2015 but differences externally, bumpers lights etc

Internally - again changes - new SatNav / new layout / less hard plastics

i.e. a facelift which has at least 2 implications

1) If you are happy with 2015 model there is a deal to be done 000's off

2) If you want the 2016 model make sure it is the model with the right features

(Bits get added &/or dropped when there are model changes - so CHECK the spec - 20 mins spent might save anguish in the months to come.)

In both cases go to "the Brokers"and see what they can give you by way of discounts - if you buy from them fine! or use the prices given to beat your local franchises the chance to match the prices!! Thousands of pounds are at stake!

I have been looking for a "good deal" and have visited 2/3 sites in the last week - went and saw them all again on Friday - pencils were sharpened BUT there is a deal to be done but not at last week's prices. I am not in a hurry but they want the Visa Debit card to come out so hopefuly this week will bring Xmas discounts.

FIAT 500X CROSS PLUS - Is it really a proper 4x4? - Happy Blue!

Ah...the Forester Mk2... possibly the only car one will ever need. Superb car on all levels.

Edited by Happy Blue! on 19/12/2015 at 23:04