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Hi all,
I also wanted to add to this thread as a lot of the problems above have happened to me recently and I feel the more it is documented, the better it will be for other people
62 reg plate with 22K miles was bought from Evans Halshaw in Feb 2016.
Fast forward 14 months, 8000 miles later, a Ford Service and Ford MOT later and the issues have occurred - engine failure with loss of coolant. Suspected blow head gasket and potentially warped Cylinder head.
Contacted EH who fobbed me off and kept saying “outside of warranty”
Called ford who were adamant about having a Ford mechanic look at it. Which happened and the same initial comments i already had. They also wanted me to pay full costs just to strip the engine (£735) to fully diagnose ALL potential issues with no guarantees of any financial support later.
Car has gone to a local garage to repair at a much more reasonable cost.
Once the full problems are diagnosed and documented I will be complaining to the Motor ombudsman (formerly Motor Code). I'm not holding out hope of anything back financially but if anything can be done to help others before issues occur then I suppose it’s a slight positive that can be taken from the whole experience
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There is a lesson here. Don't buy a Ford with that engine.
Or buy a Toyota instead.
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There is a lesson here. Don't buy a Ford with that engine.
Or buy a Toyota instead.
If this Forum had a like button, That would get a press from me.
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Hi all,
I also wanted to add to this thread as a lot of the problems above have happened to me recently and I feel the more it is documented, the better it will be for other people
62 reg plate with 22K miles was bought from Evans Halshaw in Feb 2016.
Fast forward 14 months, 8000 miles later, a Ford Service and Ford MOT later and the issues have occurred - engine failure with loss of coolant. Suspected blow head gasket and potentially warped Cylinder head.
Contacted EH who fobbed me off and kept saying “outside of warranty”
Called ford who were adamant about having a Ford mechanic look at it. Which happened and the same initial comments i already had. They also wanted me to pay full costs just to strip the engine (£735) to fully diagnose ALL potential issues with no guarantees of any financial support later.
Car has gone to a local garage to repair at a much more reasonable cost.
Once the full problems are diagnosed and documented I will be complaining to the Motor ombudsman (formerly Motor Code). I'm not holding out hope of anything back financially but if anything can be done to help others before issues occur then I suppose it’s a slight positive that can be taken from the whole experience
You should have taken it to the Ford dealership and then pushed Ford to do it for free. That is what has been happening alot. It starts off with Ford saying you have to pay for the strip down and report. Then they say you need a new engine at £5000 but, if you were to push hard enough they then replace them for free. Have a look on the facebook group.
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Edited by galileo on 19/05/2017 at 12:56
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Hi all,
I also wanted to add to this thread as a lot of the problems above have happened to me recently and I feel the more it is documented, the better it will be for other people
62 reg plate with 22K miles was bought from Evans Halshaw in Feb 2016.
Fast forward 14 months, 8000 miles later, a Ford Service and Ford MOT later and the issues have occurred - engine failure with loss of coolant. Suspected blow head gasket and potentially warped Cylinder head.
Contacted EH who fobbed me off and kept saying “outside of warranty”
Called ford who were adamant about having a Ford mechanic look at it. Which happened and the same initial comments i already had. They also wanted me to pay full costs just to strip the engine (£735) to fully diagnose ALL potential issues with no guarantees of any financial support later.
Car has gone to a local garage to repair at a much more reasonable cost.
Once the full problems are diagnosed and documented I will be complaining to the Motor ombudsman (formerly Motor Code). I'm not holding out hope of anything back financially but if anything can be done to help others before issues occur then I suppose it’s a slight positive that can be taken from the whole experience
You should have taken it to the Ford dealership and then pushed Ford to do it for free. That is what has been happening alot. It starts off with Ford saying you have to pay for the strip down and report. Then they say you need a new engine at £5000 but, if you were to push hard enough they then replace them for free. Have a look on the facebook group.
Typical useless customer service..
I refuse to buy from a company like that who attempt to make life very difficult by making a poor product and then screwing you when it goes wrong.
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I refuse to buy from a company like that who attempt to make life very difficult by making a poor product and then screwing you when it goes wrong.
You and me both but, never ceases to amaze me the amount of people who will be bitten by something like this and go on to buy another the same.
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You and me both but, never ceases to amaze me the amount of people who will be bitten by something like this and go on to buy another the same.
I read a consumer review of a Citroen C5, list of faults long as your arm, and the next one they bought was just as bad !!!
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You and me both but, never ceases to amaze me the amount of people who will be bitten by something like this and go on to buy another the same.
I read a consumer review of a Citroen C5, list of faults long as your arm, and the next one they bought was just as bad !!!
A friend just had a car blow it's second turbo plus loads of other problems with it, he has been looking for a replacement car - bet you can guess what he bought! I don't even bother getting into discussion about it, it's their money and them who have to wait on the hard shoulder when it all goes pete tong.
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Are these engine failures mostly with the 125hp rather than 100hp and are they specific to the focus, or do they affect the fiesta too?
Is it an installation issue or an engine issue?
Only asking as my girlfriend has a Fiesta titanium 100hp.
2013 with 50k on the clock.
Had since new and is a brilliant little car but she is getting concerned about it letting go!
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Are these engine failures mostly with the 125hp rather than 100hp and are they specific to the focus, or do they affect the fiesta too? Is it an installation issue or an engine issue? Only asking as my girlfriend has a Fiesta titanium 100hp. 2013 with 50k on the clock. Had since new and is a brilliant little car but she is getting concerned about it letting go!
Some Fiesta's and B-max's have had engine failures but, it seems not as many as the Focus's. That might be just there was a larger volume of Focus's sold with this engine than other models or it might be the installation is worse in the Focus.
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The lady that just brought the Fiesta EcoBoost mentioned to the Ford main dealer she brought the car from and the salesman claimed he had never heard of this and anyway the car had a full dealer service history. I told her salesmen never like to cloud the issue with facts, and to keep the text I sent her which she showed him!
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the Ford main dealer she brought the car from and the salesman claimed he had never heard of this
That seems to be a standard response, having read the Facebook group page for this issue.
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Veloceman, you need to check with the Ford main dealer whether the car is subject to a modification of one of the coolant pipes, typically known as a de-gas pipe. This needs to be done, as they can fracture and the subsequent coolant loss will cause over-heating and engine failure.
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Thank you bazza.
Will do.
Stop start has stopped working, there is aparantly a fix for this too.
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Hi same thing has happened today with wifes 2012 40k mileage cared for car, no warning loud crack pulled over called breakdown service fracture plastic flange on hose dumped coolant. Have not driven had it towed home. My question is did you get the head repaired or was it new engine?
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I have had a Focus 1.0 Ecoboost from new when I bought it in 2013. It has done 49,000 miles. It has been serviced regularly by Evans Halshaw.
I have never had a recall and after speakijg to them yesterday, EH tell me that a recall was never made on this car and to their knowledge, the degas pipe hs never been replaced.
Yesterday, it lost all it's coolant causing blown head gasket, warped cylinder head etc.
I now need a new engine on this car that is not yet 5 years old!
I was totally unaware of this potential problem with this model but since looking on the internet since yesterday, I can see that I am not alone.
I will contact Ford but do not hold out much hope.
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Example of a recall letter, posted on another forum:
goo.gl/eqUhHx
Doesn't mean it applied to your car of course.
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I have had a Focus 1.0 Ecoboost from new when I bought it in 2013. It has done 49,000 miles. It has been serviced regularly by Evans Halshaw.
I have never had a recall and after speakijg to them yesterday, EH tell me that a recall was never made on this car and to their knowledge, the degas pipe hs never been replaced.
Yesterday, it lost all it's coolant causing blown head gasket, warped cylinder head etc.
I now need a new engine on this car that is not yet 5 years old!
I was totally unaware of this potential problem with this model but since looking on the internet since yesterday, I can see that I am not alone.
I will contact Ford but do not hold out much hope.
From what I have read the degas pipe recall seems to be only for the Focus but, it's a red herring (engines have failed after the revised pipes have been fitted). The problem is the engine itself. Join the facebook page, there is advice there to help you get the engine changed free of charge.
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I have a 12plate ecoboost which on its last service they replaced the coolant bottle, because it was cracked and returned to the dealership in January as coolant was low and was told they would have to replace a washer as it was worn through iv had no recall letter as some have and there bill for the work is going to be over £1000 but my problem is iv to take them at they're word ( it's a washer) when all I'm reading is about this pipe also no recall on ford site unsure on what to do to be honest iv had it to another garage and they had the car on a pressure test an it didn't loose a drop in 3h can someone help please. (. Can someone please tell me which fb page to join as there's loads)
Edited by Kirsty Skinner on 18/07/2017 at 18:42
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There are so many issues with these engines, aware of multiple engine failures of this unit and not all connected to the coolant pipe issue. HJ also has reports of the questionable timing belt bathed in oil breaking before the change interval. Compared to the Ford Sigma and Ford\Mazda Duratec unit this Ecoboost engine is proving much more prone to major problems in the real world.
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All the indications are that Ford introduced new technologies (new to them that is) and did not test them out long enough in real world situations. So not change there them - they have history here..
Which means : get the mechnical design complete, make all parts to production specifications and drive 1 + million miles in cars so equipped in real world..
Failure of plastic parts in particular means no prolonged testing of final production parts... The reason why? time pressures.. and cost pressures. ( Warrnaty cost pressures mean Ford will chisel away as much as they can).
Buyer beware.. don't buy one and certainly not one out of warranty - is my opinion.
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I own an ecoboost engined C Max and I have no doubt that coolant loss would be a disaster. I say this as the coolant capacity is only 4.1 litres and by the time you notice something is wrong, it will be too late. I cannot except the idea that a small capacity engine is overstressed. Good materials and bearings plus modern oils should deal with any issues. The hose problem should have been corrected on all cars by now, it also should never have happened it should though be remembered that they have sold one heck of a lot of these units and the percentage failure is minimal by any standard. Not much help though if yours is one that’s failed. Perhaps it best to have the cars serviced at a Ford service agent and build up a relationship with them.
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Coolant loss should not be a disaster for a well engineered robust package. Having suffered major coolant loss on an old Ford CVH engine I did drive many miles in this state without killing the engine and only realised when the rather small temp gauge was observed as being totally in the red. Also coolant loss on a Zetec-E engine (although these units are bullet proof) caused no damage. The EcoBoost units seems so fragile there are so many units failing that these cars are going to be worth nothing as they get older and build up the miles. Also the cost of changing the flawed timing belt bathed in oil is madness, so much labour is involved.
Edited by carl233 on 09/08/2017 at 19:42
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Coolant loss should not be a disaster for a well engineered robust package. Having suffered major coolant loss on an old Ford CVH engine I did drive many miles in this state without killing the engine and only realised when the rather small temp gauge was observed as being totally in the red. Also coolant loss on a Zetec-E engine (although these units are bullet proof) caused no damage. The EcoBoost units seems so fragile there are so many units failing that these cars are going to be worth nothing as they get older and build up the miles. Also the cost of changing the flawed timing belt bathed in oil is madness, so much labour is involved.
Coolant loss will be a disaster for most engines once the water jacket behind the bores has been emptied (this can take a while though with some engines - although the EcoBoost has been suffering from a rapid leak) The bores then become superheated and damage quickly occurs, usually one or more of the following:
1) Cylinder head gasket failure - damaged directly by the heat or the rapid different expansion rates of cylinder block/bores, head gasket and head
2) Cylinder bores warping
3) Cylinder head warping
4) Pistons melting
Oil can be damaged by heat and / or water , and if driven much further other failures can take place eg big end failure
In some cases when the engine is repaired they don't last long afterwards - basically because the remaining metal has changed due to heat treating
To make things worse - modern engines also usually have less coolant on board these days to speed up the warming up process
Edited by Big John on 09/08/2017 at 22:17
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Clearly coolant loss is not great for any engine but the EcoBoost units seem to be failing in high enough numbers that cannot be ignored. Zetec-S, Zetec-E and Duratec units never seemed to suffer such high failure rates. Loss of coolant for a very small amount of time seems to kill the EcoBoost units where as other units are not damaged by such an incident.
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A turbocharged engine is always going to hold more heat than a naturally aspirated one. The Ecoboost engines also have three more or less separate cooling circuits IIRC - block, head and exhaust manifold - so even partial loss of coolant may mean the damage is done.
They heat up incredibly quickly from cold, and presumably the corollary to that is that they will overheat quickly when the cooling is impaired.
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For me the 1.0 EcoBoost engine is the equivalent of modern white goods, it has a shelf life and is not made to last as long or cover as many miles as previous Ford engines, the Zetec-S (Sigma unit) tends to be good for 200k miles if looked after and Zetec-E way beyond that 300k miles plus is easily feasible. The Mazda Duratec also easily good for 200k miles. Cannot see this Ecoobost engine going to anywhere close to those figures.
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Well since I was about to get a 2014 1.0 Fiesta ecoboost Automatic (for medical reason) in the next week, I now have a question...what the heckin heck should I buy instead!?
I test drove the 1.6L Zetec PS and it just wasn't punchy enough. I immediately liked the Ecoboost as it had just that bit extra zip that I felt would make the driving just a bit more peppy.
My commute is an hour and features some 50, some 70 and some town driving.
I love my 52 plate 1.4L fiesta for zipping quickly around town but he always struggles on the hills and on the overtakes. The OH's 2010 Focus 1.6 diesel is great for those but I find is not so nippy in town.
Should I really abandon my decision to buy an ecoboost fiesta? There must be loads that are fine. Gah!
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As with most complex new engine designs there are teething problems. VW, Fiat and Renault have also had problems with their early small capacity turbocharged motors but later examples are supposedly ok. Time will tell if this is true or not.
I wouldn't buy one until they've proven themselves, there are just too many cases of failure and I certainly wouldn't touch a 2014 Ecoboost with the notoriously troublesome Powershift automated manual gearbox. This is a toxic combination.
Small automatics are a challenge. If they use an automated manual box like Fords Powershift or VAG's DSG they tend to be unreliable beyond 3-4yrs. If they use a normal torque converter autobox then they are uneconomical and more costly to tax. Some (most Japanese options) use a CVT box but while these are fine driven gently they don't take to enthusiastic driving.
If your budget can stretch to £9,000 or so then the current generation Mazda 2 1.5 auto is an excellent option. Very pleasant to drive but uses a bombproof chain driven normally asperated petrol engine combined with a lightweight conventional torque converter gearbox which doesn't harm economy too much and should prove much more reliable than Ford's Powershift or VAG's DSG.
Auto Trader:
www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/20170712730...0
Edited by SLO76 on 12/08/2017 at 16:31
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Thanks for the feedback, it is a challenge, automatic is new to me and I wouldn't choose it if I didn't have to. I'm inadvertently a loyal Ford customer, just seems to have fit our needs, and aside from all 3 having experienced leaky boots or foot wells, haven't had any reason to grumble and no regrets.
But I would certainty regret getting a car that is one month left on warranty and 25k on the clock and having the dreaded fried engine by Xmas!
£9000 was gonna be the upper limit. ( well I was looking at £7000 1.6L fiesta until I found the drive not as zingy as I wanted).
Haven't even read about the 'notorious' PS issues yet... But probably should just to make properly sure I'm scared off it :) (but it's so pretty!!!) Argh!
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Hi, I was just wondering if anyone had any more information/an update on this, My Ford Focus Ecoboost 1.3 63 Plate is in the garage and I have been advised that it would probably be easier to get a new or good quality second hand engine, The annoying thing is that this has happened 12 days out of warranty and only a couple of months before it is due to go back to Motorpoint, so at the moment we are paying £250 a month for it to be stuck in the garage as we figure out the best way to go about things as obviously this kind of fault does not come cheap, also any help with regards to where to look for a second hand engine etc are much appreciated, Thank you
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[The above also posted in Technical.]
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This is surprisingly common and there are 100's of people who have had engines replace for free, even out of warranty. There is a list of almost 400 registration plates of poeple that have experienced engine failures.
For info on how to get Ford to replace the engine for free see the open Facebook group
https://www.facebook.com/groups/FordEcoboostNightmare
Find the pinned post at the top pf the group page. You will need to be strong with Ford and follow the pinned post to the letter.
Kindest regards
Edited by TickersPlaysPop on 22/02/2018 at 13:26
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For info on how to get Ford to replace the engine for free see the open Facebook group
www.facebook.com/groups/FordEcoboostNightmare
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For info on how to get Ford to replace the engine for free see the open Facebook group
www.facebook.com/groups/FordEcoboostNightmare
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Does anyone know when ( and if) this problem was fixed?I have a July 2015 Focus 1.0 (125) Ecoboost Titanium. Only done 18,000 miles.I am really pleased with both the performance and economy and had no problems at all....so far. However car is coming up to it's third birthday and will be out of warranty.
Looking at the posts maybe I should move it on but don't really want to swap it unncessarily as was planning on keeping it for about 6 years.
Is there anyway of telling from the engine number or registration if the problem still exists
Any thoughts either way very welcome
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Hi geoffs
I liked the drive of the 1.0 litre as well, but not the experience of getting Fordbto do thenright thing. Costly and lengthy... it took me months to get my car back.
There are already 2015 UK registrations being listed on the facebook group, so make of that what you want. The group is open and has a pinned post at the top of the group page that lists over 450 registrations.
Ford have never published anything that proves they have acknoledged their mistake or rectified it. Apart from the red herring of the Degas hose that doesnt stop engine failures, it is just one weak point in the coolant system.
Get a coolant leak anywhere in the system and the engine will very likely need replacing.
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BBC Radio 4 'you and yours' Monday 26 March reported on this scandal. Ot is available on listen again.
The media are starting to wake up to the size of this mess.
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Read there are problems with the 1.0 Ford Tourneo Connects with clutch failure on 1.0 models starting to be common issue.
The cars all seem to be 2 years old.
Not sure if the 1.0 was/is also sold in the van version, would assume the same problem would be true as there is no chance the Turkish factory would change the clutch used on the same production line for the same engine.
Worth adding not many 1.0 petrol eco boosts where sold in the UK for the Tourneo Connect prior to dieselgate so it’s a small sample.
One owner reckons Ford modified the clutch late 2016, but the only way to be sure you have the new clutch set up is to buy a 2017 built Tourneo Connect.
Also worth adding the 1.5 diesels in this vehicle are proving well and racking up over 100k trouble free although it’s been less than 3 years so the jury is still out.
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Worth adding not many 1.0 petrol eco boosts where sold in the UK for the Tourneo Connect prior to dieselgate so it’s a small sample. One owner reckons Ford modified the clutch late 2016, but the only way to be sure you have the new clutch set up is to buy a 2017 built Tourneo Connect. Also worth adding the 1.5 diesels in this vehicle are proving well and racking up over 100k trouble free although it’s been less than 3 years so the jury is still out.
Isn't the 1.5TD the smaller varaiant on the infamous '1.6 diesel-of-doom' developed in conjunction with PSA which appears in many of those, as well as Mazdas and Volvos?
I would suspect that there would be less issues when they were used in commercial vehicles as they do much higher mileages under greater load, helping with DPF regens, etc, rather than granny and grandad popping to the shops round the corner once or twice a week, or mum dropping little Johnny off every day at the local school, both which would, in my view cause more wear as its used from cold for short trips more often than commercial vehicles.
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I’m not convinced the 1.6 really is a diesel of doom.
Very much depends on how well the owner had looked after it eg. A regular service seems to be the key to longevity as the engine needs fresh oil every 12,000 Miles or per year.
It’s to early to comment on the 1.5 diesel but so far so good on the whole, if it’s as good as the 1.2 pure tech petrol is proving to be then it will be just fine.
Edited by daveyK_UK on 02/04/2018 at 19:50
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My neighbour had no end of trouble with her 2014 Fiesta 1 litre EcoBoost; garage visits were almost monthly as the car was returning stupidly low mpg; her best ever journey - 35 miles each way, over quiet A roads got her 35mpg.
My 2.4L Mitsubishi Grandis can do that!!
Ford kept telling her it would improve as the engine wore in, but it never did and she eventually refused the car.
A glutton for punishment, she now as a 2017 1 litre ecoboost Focus.
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