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My Toyota Prius Review - jamie745

2007 (07) Toyota Prius

I recently confirmed on here that my workplace was changing its fleet cars very soon, and indeed that has been the case and on Wednesday i decided to use one for my trip to some pointless presentation conferance thingmejig, but we dont care about that, you want to hear about the car! Now its no secret that im no greenie, i dont read the Guardian, i dont agree with most of the claptrap spoken about global warming and im definately not a fan of anything proclaiming itself to be an 'eco car' but for the purposes of this ive put my prejudices in a box and decided to develop my opinion on what its like as a car, and nothing else. Im also going to attempt to be fair to it and not compare it to the 230+bhp S-Type i usually drive too much.

Right, the car, its a 2007 07 plate Prius in black, the T3 model and its done just over 46,000 miles and was acquired from a Toyota dealer (so ive been informed). Im not a fan of the exterior looks although it may grow on me, the design of the rear lights make it look too much like a Hybrid and most notably a Prius to be able to drive it without that nagging uneasy feeling of making a political statement at the back of my mind. The interior is better, i still maintain the plastics take on a bit of a cheap feel and not having a gear stick as such is a bit strange to start off with, so is the position of the instrument panel being four miles away from the steering wheel. Despite this it feels well thought out and easy to use, function over form, typical Toyota then. The type of car you can find what you want without needing to read the manual. Ive never driven anything electric or hybrid before so i was taken aback when i started it and was silent, i thought i'd broken it. But panic over we began to move.

The drive

The drive was to be a 140 mile round trip taking in dual carraigeway and mixed outskirts and town driving, an ideal test then for the real world fuel economy of the Prius, supposedly its big selling point. I filled up its small tank from almost full anyway and set off. In town running in 'EV Mode' was a strange experience, total silence and just merely humming along to the shop, i liked that. The animation showing me where the powers coming from i dont like so i switched that off. In town its fine even if the ride could be a little smoother but its nothing to complain about. Out on the dual carraigeway its got ample power, i didnt feel like a liability on the road or anything, obviously it doesnt have the power im used to but by the same token its not a car which encourages you to drive quickly either. A steady 65-70 is perfectly fine and quiet inside the Prius and you dont go much faster than that on this sort of road at 10am on a wednesday anyway. On the more twisty roads it understeers a bit if you even slightly push it. All in all though a relaxing enough trundle, seats are better than the Astra's we used to have as i didnt need a doctor by the time i got back. And verified by re-filling when i got back i can confirm i did 52 to the gallon. Quite impressive for a big five door automatic driven by someone who's a stranger to the eco hybrid world.

Liked

Good comfortable seats, fantastic EV mode, good economy, good size and well laid out. And at 6ft i was perfectly fine in the back also.

Dont Like

Exterior styling, vague handling, even making allowances for 'eco car' i still think its slightly down on power, annoying animations on screen and political connotations creating a green halo around the car. The latter especially makes it uncomfortable to consider owning.

Conclusion

I said i'd put my prejudices aside and i think overall ive done that. Its a very good car at what it sets out to do, which is to give you the easiest drive (auto) in the biggest car possible with the lowest running costs possible. With £20 tax, congestion charge exemption (although i believe hybrids exemption will be withdrawn in 2013), excellent reliability, low insurance costs (i did a dummy quote and got quoted £284 to insure this car), excellent economy for this size of car (a diesel Fiesta will do better but thats a small car, manual, less room etc). I'd like to compare it one day to its most direct rival, the Honda Insight but with a good four year old Prius going for around 6k and the Insight only being out for a year or so if you want a big five door auto with cheap tax, insurance and fuel costs, with rock solid reliability for a reasonable price then it has to be one of these. If i really concentrate i can justify this thing. I'd have one out of a principle of not wanting to give the Government any money, and i think all of us, even staunch petrolheads could get on board with that thinking.

Score: 7.5 out of 10

My Toyota Prius Review - nortones2

Seems a fair resume! Possibly the 1.6 engine rather than the later 1.8 with a bit more go?

My Toyota Prius Review - jamie745

Sorry yes forgot to mention this was the standard 1.5litre hybrid from 2007 in the second generation shape. I still think if it had a 2.0litre or something and possibly some bigger more grippy tyres it'd help with the problems i pointed out. It doesnt feel any slower than a Civic or bottom of the range Avensis or anything if that helps but just in a car of this size it could do with a little bit more go. Maybe the 1.8 in the new one fits the bill.

Edited by jamie745 on 04/09/2011 at 20:05

My Toyota Prius Review - Bobbin Threadbare

Hells bells J - £284 to insure that is pretty good! A lovely review by the way.

My Toyota Prius Review - jamie745

That must be because i am a sensible, well adjusted, reasonable and careful individual.

My Toyota Prius Review - Trilogy

I like the styling, but its a shame Honda tried to copy it, badly.

My Toyota Prius Review - colinh

I keep getting tempted by the same drive-train (the later 1.8) in the Auris Hybrid, which also has the benefit of not having a noticeable hybrid shape. I may re-visit.

My Toyota Prius Review - Bobbin Threadbare

I must say, I am not keen on the boot of it, and they are a pain to drive behind as you can't see through them very well. Otherwise I am a Toyota fan.

My Toyota Prius Review - Avant

Thanks for an excellent review, Jamie. Because of its green credentials, the Prius is particularly subject to adverse, prejudiced reviews from people who haven't driven them as you and I have.

I've seriously considered one, and our excellent local Toyota dealer (Octagon of Bracknell) has let me out in both the Prius you drove and the new version for extended unaccompanied test drives. The 1.5 engine is a bit of a screamer when accelerating, and I thought that this model was excellent in town but less suited to motorway driving.

The new version's 1.8 engine is quite a bit better at speed, and there is a Power button which you can use to get very respectable, quieter performance although witrh some loss of economy. But you have the choice.

I don't like the foot-operated parking brake or the poor view out to the rear, and I'll be interested to see if the promised MPV version comes to the UK. Well worth a look for anyone in the market for this size of car who wants an automatic that gives good economy without the diesel/automatic drone.

Edited by Avant on 05/09/2011 at 00:09

My Toyota Prius Review - jamie745

Thanks Avant, glad to be of service. I appear to be engaging in eloquent sensible grown up discussion which obviously will not do.

Yes i was going to mention the view out of the rear but i only reverse parked it the once and albiet the view was a bit limited i know that space with my eyes shut anyway so it wasnt a big problem. The foot operated parking brake is odd, like what Mercedes put in the C Class. Until recently the only sort of parking brake i knew was a lever in the centre console, the S-Type's is one of those EPB systems which took a little getting used to.

I agree the 1.5 is a bit loud when pushed and it seems you agree it was definately super in town. At 65ish it was perfectly fine, never got the opportunity to go much faster but i cant imagine it feeling as comfortable at 75+ in the outside lane. Its the only big automatic you can buy which is good on fuel and isnt a diesel. I dont know if the Insight from Honda is any better but on paper the Prius is the better car.

Overall i do like the car, its perfectly ok, its not particularly my sort of car so i thought i was fair on it with that considered. I will say ive done that trip in the old 1.9 Astra's and the seats were so hard i needed physio at the end, that was not the case in this.

My Toyota Prius Review - unthrottled

The Astra (and most Vauxhalls) seems to have a real marmite interior. I find the seats in the old vectra excellent and I rate the Vectra as one of the best motorway cruisers. But I've heard complaints about the seats.

My Toyota Prius Review - bazza

Good review thanks. Does anybody have any information on replacement/life expectancy of the battery pack as these cars are getting a bit older now? I heard on the grapevine that Toyota will contribute on a sliding scale to the cost but don't know any detail? If that is the case, seems like a very viable secondhand buy.

My Toyota Prius Review - bazza

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Edited by Avant on 05/09/2011 at 23:49

My Toyota Prius Review - nortones2

Quick scan of a mesage board autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/toyota-prius/message/...1 brought up some info. US biased, undersatndably. Apparently defective cells out of warranty can be replaced although, naturally, US dealers pretend otherwise:) Don't know whether UK has any entrepreneurs inthis field.

BTW, have no personal knowledge, but 2nd hand Prius might suit our needs, if it can take a lively Boxer! Not going to look until more pressing domestic jobs are sorted out!

Edited by nortones2 on 05/09/2011 at 11:46

My Toyota Prius Review - Sofa Spud

Interesting review. Imagine what the economy of a diesel verion of the Prius would be, if Toyota had decided to offer that option. 70+ mpg?

My Toyota Prius Review - jamie745

Alot of people have asked why they havent made a diesel. Perhaps Toyota recognise where as diesel puts out less co2 it puts out higher nox gases than petrol and petrol tends to be a bit more spritely especially in a smaller engine so opted for petrol instead?

My Toyota Prius Review - unthrottled

Little better than a conventional one. That's why you don't see diesel hybrids. You can't make the same saving twice.

My Toyota Prius Review - colinh

You spoke too soon - see details of Peugeot 3008 2.0 HDi Hybrid 4 published on a well-known magazine's website today

My Toyota Prius Review - jamie745

It is funny when unthrottled looks a bit of a plank but if it turns out to be no better than a Prius he will prove his point. But the fact is the 3008 (not a car i like at all tbh) is coming with a 2litre engine, and in a car of that size thats the minimum it needs. Hybrid for round town, diesel for pulling on the motorway, in theory it should be brilliant.

My Toyota Prius Review - unthrottled

It's been out for a while. I'll await to see if it's significantly better than a conventional diesel. I doubt the fuel saving will be much.

Separate propulsion for the front and rear axle is an interesting concept though.

My Toyota Prius Review - Bobbin Threadbare

Separate propulsion for the front and rear axle is an interesting concept though.

Like one of those many-axled lorries? Whatever next? Two steering wheels?

My Toyota Prius Review - jamie745

It might not be that much better but if this can get mid 50s mpg in general and have ample grunt for that size of car i think it'll be a job well done.

My Toyota Prius Review - unthrottled

They usually only have one drive axle though Bobbin!

4x4 drivetrains are horrible. Having the engine drive the front and an electric motor drive the rear can give four wheel drive without the awful drivetrain.

My Toyota Prius Review - TeeCee

That is very interesting, as one of the brickbats hurled at the Prius is over the seats. The lads on priuschat recommend fitting Volvo ones!

However, I found that the secret was to sit rather more upright and a notch closer to the pedals than I normally would. Nice and comfy then. Trying to adopt a more conventional postion leads to the lower back pain that Prius seats usually get criticised for.

I can't forgive 'em the lever seat back adjustment rather than wheel though. Black mark for that.

Can't say I've ever really had occasion to complain about the foot-operated "hand"brake. I usually thump the "park" button (or just switch off) and leave it to its own devices. Foot brake thingy only gets used when its on a steepish or better hill, which is where it come into its own as you get more grunt on the lever with a leg than an arm.

Did you notice the key proximity behaviour? If you walk past the thing with the keys in your pocket, it "sees" the fob and puts the interior lights on, most noticeable at night. I reckon it's the automotive equivalent of a labrador, as every time you go out it gives the impression of going; "Ooooh, me too, me too, me too....".

My Toyota Prius Review - jamie745

As far as the battery life goes i do know an American Magazine did a comparison two years ago between a 09 Prius with mere delivery mileage and one of the earliest examples of the Gen 2 Prius with over 150k on it and they found the batteries on the latter was only around 5% worse off than in a brand new one so it suggests its got legs definately.

Im surprised to hear the seats are a common complaint with the Prius, i really felt they were better than ok. I'd prefer one with a leather interior if i was to buy one though. Its not as hugging or naturally comfortable as my Jaguar but i dont suppose you'd expect it to be, ride and comfort is what Jaguar does. In comparison to the Astra's we had its much better ive never been a fan of Vauxhall seats.

I drove it during the day so i didnt notice anything with the interior lights and the key fob. And in most automatics i wouldnt bother with the 'hand' brake but if i dont use it the fleet manager will come and shout at me. The Jaguar has an EPB but when i had my automatics previously i never used the handbrake in them, ever. Didnt even work in my old Peugeot automatic, i drove 37 miles with it on once before i realised.

My Toyota Prius Review - OldSkoOL

MPG seems lower than expected?

It is good but i would have thought it would be higher.

I know this is a bit out of place to say but i own a 335d which is a twin turbo 3.0 diesel.

For the first time since i've owned it i decided to see what mpg it could get. Starting with a m-way trip of 30 miles where it achieved an indicated 62.7mpg following caravans in the slow lane at an average speed of 62mph.

As soon as i got off the m-way i drove through town and some more dual carridgeway with juntions / roundabouts and some more town work and it dropped to circa 57mpg.

After a week and lots of town driving and some heavy right foots i'm down to 46.3mpg.

Before the heavy foot it was not budging from 47.3mpg. Granted this was super economical driving, i.e. using it's torque to get up to speed, no varying the speed and coming off the accelerator early instead of braking. Slightly tedious around town but astonishing economy.

I would have thought the prius would be in the 60's and 70's on a m-way trip.

My Toyota Prius Review - unthrottled

The only thing going for the Prius on the motorway is its drag coefficient of 0.26

The hybrid system is no use in steady state driving. A hybrid system is only as good as the basic engine! The Prius' engine is very good for a petrol but no match for a good diesel.

The old rule of thumb that hybrids for town, diesels for motorway is accurate. You don't see tractor units with petrol/eclectric hybrid drivelines, do you?!

My Toyota Prius Review - nortones2

Other than the torture of trundling along in lane 1 following trucks, which I avoid unless nearly out of fuel, I don't think I've ever experienced steady-state driving on Mways for any length of time. M1 and M6 and M60 have quite a few inclines and declines. Then there's overtaking, and braking to avoid lane switchers:) The northern reaches of the M6 near Carlisle are pretty quiet and also fairly level: thats the only place I can recall where real steady state can be achieved.

My Toyota Prius Review - jamie745

Helpful information is never out of place, even Avant would probably agree with that.

The interesting thing about the Prius is it does mid 50s mpg everywhere, most cars even on their official figures have a massive difference between urban and extra urban and just put them together and divide by two to give you the 'average' but the range between the two is much smaller with the Prius. Which is great if you intend to use it in town alot.

As noted by both myself and Avant it doesnt feel as at home going quickly as some other cars. Its not a bad motorway cruiser but that 1.5litre engine in a car of that size does feel underpowered, if anything it might achieve better mpg on the motorway with a slightly bigger engine. As i said if you push it it is a bit noisy and it sounds like its working hard.

Other cars will do a better mpg if thats purely what you want. A diesel Fiesta will do better than the Prius mpg toodling at 65 on the motorway without question in my opinion but thats a smaller car, manual gearbox etc. When you try and make a compromise in any sort of car then its never going to do everything perfectly.

My Toyota Prius Review - unthrottled

Oh, it wasn't a criticism of the Prius. It's just that people that 'hybrid' automatically improves general economy by about 25%. It's not so. Overall mid 50s from a 4/5 seater hatchback without any special effort is impressive.

My Toyota Prius Review - jamie745

I was expecting mid 40s on that trip i have to be honest so i was surprised when i did the maths at the end and discovered it had bettered that. I was almost annoyed with it because of that. I mean i wasnt thrashing it obviously, it understeers too much to get any enjoyment out of throwing a Prius round corners, which may have been done on purpose now i think about it but i wasnt driving in an overly economy minded way. I wasnt driving it like i would drive my own car, especially on the last few miles or so of the journey on some nice twisty bits which can be good fun in a big front engine-rear wheel drive car but i certainly wasnt causing a que either.

I'd be interested to see if the Prius had four people and a fortnights shopping inside it, with at least two of them reasonably fat and drive at 75 if it would be quite as impressive mind.

My Toyota Prius Review - Bobbin Threadbare

I'd be interested to see if the Prius had four people and a fortnights shopping inside it, with at least two of them reasonably fat and drive at 75 if it would be quite as impressive mind.

The scientists among us would be interested in that experiment, but how do you quantify 'reasonably fat'?

My Toyota Prius Review - jamie745

The type of person who claims they can buy clothes off the peg in Marks and Spencer but in reality gets them ordered online but nobody notices because they're borderline porky.