SEAT Exeo ST 2.0 SE CR - Good car or not? - dodo

Looking to replace a well respected Volvo V50 2.0D early next year and have narrowed the choice down to two cars - Seat Exeo ST 2.0 143 CR (SE) or one of the new Astra Sports Tourers (1.4 Turbo or 160 bhp diesel). Have lloked at the Seat and its a lovely car to drive and with good road presence. Have called at three Vauxhall dealers and no new Astra STs yet - and complete indifference about selling me one. Has anyone had real life driving experience of the ST or should I perseverse with elusive new Vauxhall?

SEAT Exeo ST 2.0 SE CR - Good car or not? - daveyjp
The Seat is the previous A4 in a different frock and newer engines, so look for reviews of these.

From my experience of the old A4 rear legroom isn't too generous and the estate boot wasn't class leading.
SEAT Exeo ST 2.0 SE CR - Good car or not? - Avant

If you'd wanted more space you'd have presumably had the Octavia on your shortlist witrh the same engine as the SEAT. I'm sure the Exeo, like the A4, meets many needs, and I can't say why it shouldn't be as good to drive as the A4 it's based on, and which personally I loved when I had one a few years ago. That's to say that it's not like a BMW 3-series which has sharper steering and handling but is less relaxing to drive, and a lot more expensive.

Unless Vauxhall have wrought a miracle in comparison with what they've produced in the past, the SEAT will be a lot better to drive than the Astra. As it's been available for some months, you may get a better discount than you would on a new model.

Daveyjp, if you're still there, out of interest how does your X-type estate compare for space and practicality? It's no doubt as good to drive as its sister car the Mondeo.

Edited by Avant on 13/11/2010 at 23:41

SEAT Exeo ST 2.0 SE CR - Good car or not? - daveyjp
Still here!

Funny you should ask about the X type boot. Last weekend one of the Top Gear repeats on Dave featured the X type estate - I think it was from about 2004 and Mr Clarkson highlighted that the X type boot was larger than the A4 and 3 series of the time.

We went camping in ours this summer - 5 person tent and all the other gear you need for a week away and no need for a roofbox or trailer.

The car let me down last month with a gunked up EGR valve (common problem on all Ford diesels) but Jaguar Assist had it sorted in half a day.

Other than that I still enjoy getting in it and it eats the miles with no fuss. For the refinement and kit these cars are a bargain.

A colleague picked up a 56 reg 100,000 2.0d SE with full Jag history (it has been owned by a company) from auction last week. He normally shifts what he buys quite quickly, but he's not sure about the Jag!
SEAT Exeo ST 2.0 SE CR - Good car or not? - dodo
Haven't discounted a new BMW 320d ES Touring but once had a a 330D Touring that needed three new gearboxes. Took a look this morning at the new Mondeo estate but wow its big.
SEAT Exeo ST 2.0 SE CR - Good car or not? - a900ss
I had an Exeo ST 143 SE for about 8,000 miles this year including a weeks holiday in France with a roofbox on it. I won't bother talking about space as it's probably comparable to your V50.

With regards to the car, I'd recommend it. The engine is VERY refined for a diesel, more refined than the 2.0 BMW in my opinion. I drove the car very hard and got about 46 MPG out of it, 50 MPG should be easy to achieve. It also did 36 MPG in France fully loaded with a roofbox and a bike up on top and most of that was circa 100MPH on the autoroute, very impressed with that.

The car is well made as you'd expect from what effectively is an Audi. Seats are comfortable over a long distance and even as a base spec car, it was well equipped. Although the boot is 'smallish', not small, it is a very good shape with flat edges so can be fully used.

I also liked the fact it run on 16 inch wheels, it's ride was much nicer than the actual Audi A4 it's based upon and in my opinion actually handled better, although nowhere near as good as a 3 series.

In my time it used no oil, as expected really.

I'd recommend it if you don't need the biggest of estate cars. It's a good drive with a really nice engine, well built and at a good price.

a900ss
SEAT Exeo ST 2.0 SE CR - Good car or not? - dodo
No space is not the ultimate priority as all I need is a flexible car that can load display boards and flip chart etc for work - the V50 was plenty big enough. Saw the Golf estate yesterday and thought it might be worth considering too in 2.0 CR TD form.
SEAT Exeo ST 2.0 SE CR - Good car or not? - a900ss
I'm really impressed with the VAG CR engine. As well as in the Exeo I had, I also had 2 Passats with the CR engine for over 15k miles. That was only the 110 variant but both engines are very smooth, very flexible (will pull from 1200RPM) and very economical. With the 110 passats you had to be going VERY quickly to get them below 50 MPG.
SEAT Exeo ST 2.0 SE CR - Good car or not? - dodo
Well if theres one person I respect in terms of cars its HJ! New Exeo ST will be ordered tomorrow if I can choose the best colour! Thanks everyone!
SEAT Exeo ST 2.0 SE CR - Good car or not? - Collos25

Just check before you order that it is not being scrapped due to extremely poor sales in europe or fased out.

SEAT Exeo ST 2.0 SE CR - Good car or not? - Collos25

But not the Exeo and according to the european car production figures Seat are well down -48% on some models and the best being -16%

over year ending October 2010 compared to year ending October 2009 (source Autobild Nr 45 12/11/2010 )and are also loosing money hand over fist.The reason I suggested that the EXEO may be quietly dropped is that a company in Germany called Autoland has just bought what looks like every available Exeo and are now selling them at a very reasonable price,this company seems to specialise in buying end of line models.

SEAT Exeo ST 2.0 SE CR - Good car or not? - dodo
Interesting indeed. I talked to a Seat dealer today who resolutely denied any end of the model. he told me the Exeo was their best selling car and even had older Audi A4 drivers swapping theirs for one of them. The model did receive an update for 2011 and has more legroom and uses LED in the rear lights. Maybe it was the last of 2010 models that were sold off cheap? Anyway still have to sign on the dotted line ...
SEAT Exeo ST 2.0 SE CR - Good car or not? - Collos25
I personally thing they are lovely looking cars and seem to use better materials inside then the other models and for the money I quite fancy one myself.
SEAT Exeo ST 2.0 SE CR - Good car or not? - RicardoB

I like the Exeo too - even the saloon, and was just about to type "what a shame they don't do it in automatic/DSG/CVT.

And then I found this from HJ! - http://honestjohn.co.uk/news/new-models/2010-09/seat-launches-multitronic-gearbox-in-exeo

Interesting indeed.

A few years ago, I had a Toledo saloon 1.9TDi which looked rather classy and had lots of goodies. SEAT had a totally bizarre moment with the replacement based on the current Leon/Altea - which I have to say are not as "right" in my opinion as the originals from many years ago now.

But the Exeo - hmmmm. Nice!

SEAT Exeo ST 2.0 SE CR - Good car or not? - Tim16V

This car has absolutely no image and a difficult market position but despite this it is still quite expensive (list prices anyway). A bland looking version of the last generation A4. The equipment levels are high but the reason for that is that demand is low. They can't even be bothered to sell and automatic/DSG as demand is even lower.

Providing you are prepared for monumental depreciation it shouldn't be a problem, but decent fuel consumption will be massively outweighed by this cost.

SEAT Exeo ST 2.0 SE CR - Good car or not? - dodo
Well I had a test drive in a very smart black Exeo ST Sport 140CR and if that car is bland I need my eyes tested! great driving car, quiet and seemingly well built. My old car was £23,000 in 2008 and is now worth £12,000 as a trade in so I think the Seat will be at least up to an Insignia, Mondeo or Mazda 6 in terms of depreciation.
SEAT Exeo ST 2.0 SE CR - Good car or not? - makesupownmind

I've just bought an Exeo ST TDI 140, and am happy so far, but engine needs to loosen up only done 300 miles.

Here's the rationale behind my choice.... When needing to change from previous car (first Gen Mazda 6), I found the standard competitors ( current Mondeo, Insignia, Mazda6) have become larger externally than previous generation, so are now huge. This disqualifies them. The best practical proposition is the Skoda Octavia, but it's somehow difficult to want one even though it's good to drive!, plus no dealers within 20 miles of my home or work. BMW and AUDI are expensive and I'm not fooled by lower % depreciation - often amounts to the same actual £depreciation.

So tried Exeo, as Audi A4 underneath, and have had Seat Leons before. These have proven to be great, driving like new after 70k miles. Same can't be said for other cars I've owned (Mondeo, Mazda6, Saab93). So tried Exeo and liked it. There is a genuine feeling of quality and solidity, and the drive train is fluid. Roadholding and handling are good. Lots of kit as standard and the VW group diesels are streets ahead of the ford and mazda ones I've owned. CR version is smoother and less peaky than the 2.0 PD 140. (Old 130PD engine was actually better)

The Exeo estate (ST) is no huge estate, but I only need it for the ocasional DIY load. Chose it over the saloon, because it's large boot size is spoiled by the apperture.

If you are brand driven, you won't be able to overlook the Seat badge. I'm not so in my opinion - good car.

SEAT Exeo ST 2.0 SE CR - Good car or not? - dodo

Finally deal done. Getting a new .......VW Passat Mk7 2.0 TDi SE. arrriving late February. Must be mad but the one I drove was a very smooth well built car.

SEAT Exeo ST 2.0 SE CR - Good car or not? - Bilboman

Any feedback on the Passat? Did you have "fun" with the automatic handbrake? I recently had an Exeo estate courtesy car and was duly impressed. Although seemingly huge, it is in fact it is only 11 cm longer than my current Focus 1.6 TDCi estate. The boot space was less deep owing to the false floor/spare wheel well and I could not fit in the usual payload of 6 large Curver plastic storage cases (with six smaller ones on top) full of my stock-in-trade of books!
The load area roller blind was fiddly (no manufacturer I know of has yet designed the perfect one, flexible enough to fit over bulky items, a 100% reliable system to engage and disengage one handed, etc.) but did have a retractible mesh screen to keep objects behind passengers rather than risking decapitating them - always appreciated - and lots of load-lashing eyelets.
Performance and cornering was superb and even with 17" alloys, very smooth over road humps and the odd pothole. I averaged 7.0 l/100 kms (roughly 40 mpg) in 2 days and 300 miles.
Lots of gadgets, clear instruments, intuitive cruise control, hands free/bluetooth, voice control, parking sensors. The rare luxury of a locking glovebox and a customisable mount for a mobile phone and USB charging point inside it but the icing on the cake was the instruction manual tucked into a recess at the top of the glovebox, which took some finding. INSIDE the instruction manual was an illustration of where to find the instruction manual - very logical and German!