LeZebre,
When you say the circ pump in noisier at low speed etc do you mean all the time it’s running or as you previously said when it switches off ?.
Normally they are quieter on the low speeds.
On most pumps there is a bleed screw. Have you tried bleeding this.
I presume with you having a new condensing boiler that the pump is incorporated inside the casing.
I only say this because if it was a stand alone one it does have to be orientated in a particular way but this wouldn’t apply if it was factory installed in the boiler.
Cylinder situated below the boiler ! ? That sounds unusual and was wondering where the vent pipe (which allows expansion and removes air) is located.
Could you give a little more info.
Is the noise still just when it switches off. What kind of noise ? How many flows and returns come out of the boiler and is there a motorised valve on one of them.? Two way or three way?.
alvin
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alvin,
I meant that the knock which only ever accompanies switch - off quietens with increasing pump speed, seems odd to me; pump itself is fine - external.
Pre-existing cylinder, vented; contractor moved replacement boiler to a position above and to one side of it, makes for a neat installation, no probs there i shouldn't think.
I can see one outflow and one return to the boiler. There is a complicated looking junction where the flow forks to serve the cylinder on one branch and the radiators on the other. Each branch is fitted with a motorised valve (ie two separate valves) and these are either both open, one open, or both shut when boiler is switching off.
Although the knock sounds like water hammer when in a room with a radiator, I've been spending some time listening to the boiler itself, and it *does* sound as if something is slamming shut inside there. If the central heating switches off while the valve to the hw cylinder is still open there is no noise. When the ch switches off the motorised valve closes, and if the hw is also off the flow seems to have nowhere to go, and the noise occurs.
Now found a "solution". There is a small bore pipe branched into the pump outlet side and leading to the boiler return pipe. This has a small manual valve on it which I found closed. With some trepidation I opened it - no more noise! I then backed it off until the shutdown noise occurred again, and settled on a position where it is half way open. Now the heating is operating blissfully quietly. One more thing alvin, if you've got this far, it is recommended to use Sentinel X100 inhibitor. I know I would never have an uninhibited cooling system in a car, but I wonder if it is really necessary in domestic heating or would plain water suffice?
LeZebre
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Central heating inhibitor prevents corrosion, extends the life of radiatirs and reduces sludge build-up.
Furnox is another well known make.
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La Zebre,
A good explanation of your system and pleased you have solved the problem.
I imagine the by-pass you describe was fitted for one of two reasons. The first being that if both two port valves were closed the pump could still be running for a while against closed circuits which isn’t considered good practise. The by-pass would solve that one.
And the other reason is that some boilers specify that the system must be wired to give a pump over run when the gas valve closes. Simply means that the pump must continue to circulate to allow the boiler to cool down by continuing to circulate in the system for a few minutes.
With low water content boilers such as space savers which only have a capacity measured in pints this is important and some with the pump already installed have it setup to do this by the factory.
Mind you in some large cast boilers of 800,000btu plus which I have installed also have this manufacturers instruction.
We shall have to guess what exactly made this knock but curing it by opening the by-pass would point towards the pump not liking the two port valves stopping it’s work. Have never heard this myself but the important thing is you have cured it.
Regarding inhibitors as Brian says Furnox is the big name on the domestic scene. Whether it is strictly necessary I have heard many arguments on this and couldn’t give a definitive answer not being a chemist but can give some information based on experience.
Beginning my apprenticeship in the early fifties domestic heating was unknown but I worked for a central heating company on industrial and new schools installations and no water treatment was used then.
The reasoning was that after the initial fill and commissioning the water had given up all its limescale, oxygen and impurities and became inert. This water became totally black, Domestic heating became popular in the sixties and even then water treatment was not used but similarly we used to drain the anti freeze out of cars at the end of winter and refill with clean water as per the handbook.
Corrosion I have seen has mostly been caused by poor design in which you get pumping over into the expansion tank. This aeration takes oxygen back into the system which rapidly causes corrosion. However I think that with today’s modern boilers, and smaller waterways it would be wise to use it as an insurance. I have it in mine mainly because a contractor gave me five gallon years of it years ago and it also seems to prevent kettling (noisy boiler sounding like an electric kettle).
alvin
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I was recounted an awful story at work yesterday by a colleague whose son has been partially blinded in one eye by a stone thrown by another child. He ended the tale with "I'm looking for compensation". Regardless of the rights and wrongs of this view, it got me thinking.
In these days of compensation claims for everything, I could well be liable if, say, my toddling daughter tripped someone up in my local shopping centre. Theoretically, I could be bankrupted if the claim were sufficient, lose all my savings, and end up living in Waterloo Station, hoarding carrier bags and shouting at passers by.
I've had a look round the internet for personal liability insurence and all I seem to find is Employer liability insurance. Does anyone know where I can get something to cover me and my family for personal liability?
V
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Vin - Bankruptcy doesn't relly work like that.
Anyhow, for Private Indemnity insurance, try asking Asley Roadwell brokers - 0117 604101. They will know if anything exists.
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I thought a lot of household insurances cover this (possibly as an option). Have you checked your policy?
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Yes, that was my first thought, but I'm covered for liabilities arising from my ownership of theproperty. I'm going to give the brokers a call.
V
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Third party liability insurance is usally an add-on to contents insurance but not buildings insurance.
HTH
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Hi BR,
well I suppose it was bound to be me that opened up this thread again, seeing as I hijacked a large part of it in the past.
This question though, is totally unrelated to any of my former boring posts, and is just made in the hope that there might be some 'techie' out there that can advise.
The other day, I was advised by my computer to upgrade to the latest version of Windows Media Player. Which I did.
Since then, all the songs that I have downloaded in the past,will not play anymore. The screen appears and it looks like it is playing, but nothing comes out of my speakers.
Have been to the Windows/Media help places, but they don't have a solution for me.
Anyone have any ideas? Do 'NEED' to hear some things that I had here before, only computer will not allow me to hear!
Any answers as always gratefully received.
HF
Oh and PS, have tried to get rid of latest WMP download and go back to my former one, but this hasn't worked either.
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I can't help you with Media Player problems. Even on my amazingly good (!) computer running XP Pro ,Media Player still annoys me at times. Tonihgt in fact I tried to copy all my fave albums into the Media Library. A fair few didn't work, so I had to manually open the ones I wanted to hear. As for the screen appearing and the sound not.. check the volume settings on your computer and on Media Player. Browse the help menus too. Otherwise I cant help.
If there is no immediate solution...
I would suggest try using a different player. If you download Kazaa Media Desktop (a downloading service) and import all your music files into that, you should be able to listen to the songs that way. Search for it on Google; I forget the address and maybe shouldn't post it here because it allows much piracy... ;) Also RealPlayer may work but I only use this when it chooses to appear when I stream files (play them from an internet site.)
Or burn your MP3s to CD and listen from the CD Rom drive or an MP3 compatible CD player (portable ones are £50+) - the latter is great - 10 albums on one CD. You can get them for your car, but they are expensive, and I mwandering off topic so Ill leave it at that.
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Hello D18, thanks for all of that! I wasn't actually expecting any kind of reply tonight, so this has slightly taken me unawares!!
I'm on '98, not XP, - but I HAVE checked the volume settings :(
I will certainly try loading the Kazaa thing that you mention - never heard of it before but anything is worth a go!
As far as burning to CD is concerned - yep, one day I will. Right now I don't have the facilities to do so.
Gonna have to post this real soon because of the time-out rule - sorry that I have said nothing of interest or relevance, but I WOULD ilke to thank you for your advice.
Well, thanks! Goitta post now or all will be denied by the 20 minute rule - but thanks for replying to me.
Yours
HF
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Hi HF,
Regarding your Media player problems, what version you running? (to find this open the media player and goto Help/About Windows Media Player) I'm running version 7.01.00.3055) If yours isn't the same version, hopefully the menus are still the same. Goto Tools/Options. Click on the Formats tab and see what is and what isn't ticked. Make a note of them all on paper (in case you want to reset them to what they originally were) then start ticking/unticking boxes in a "trial and error" sort of way until hopefully the stuff that isn't currently playing suddenly does start playing.
ps, If only it were a Vauxhall and not Microsoft :o)
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Hello Dynamic, and thank you for your reply!
Seems you are a bit of a computer buff as well as a car-encyclopedia?! Learn something new every day!
Goodness knows what version of Media Player I am running - all I know is that I upgraded according to their recommendation, and subsequently nothing has worked!
Tomorrow, (not now 'cos knackered and can't guarantee results!) will do precisely as you say with regard to the clicking and making notes. Couldn't actually tell you at this moment if this is something I have tried before - because with me and computers, one tries so many things and in the end it's so easy to forget what you have or haven't tried before.
Tomorrow I will do as you suggest.
Now, I will just thank you very sincerely for your time and consideration. It's appreciated, hugely, from me.
Take care, Dynamic, and please realise that I appreciate all the posts you make to help me out.
Take care, and hopefully speak soon.
HF
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If you do want kazaa:
www.kazaa.com/us/index.php It lets you download all kinds of stuff e.g. pretty much any music.
Anyway good luck fixing Media Player. Its very good, when it behaves itself.
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Hi Dave18 and Dynamic,
You are both geniuses! (genii?)
Having followed Dynamic's instructions re 'options' etc, I find that indeed as mentioned by 18 that my volume setting was at zero :(
Strange, because when I'd checked it out before (in a different and obviously incorrect way) it was at maximum.
Anywy, thanks to both of you, I can now hear my beloved music once again :)
Think I might try this Kazaa thing as well.
Thank you both
HF
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If you do want kazaa:
***BEWARE*** Kazaa is Spyware.
IMHO, WinMX is much better - and it doesn't report home either.
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Kazaa is indeed full of spyware, or at least the new one is. I stick with Kazaa Lite which still works fine. It's slow but I just log on, pick out what I want, go to bed and consolidate what's happened in the morning.
Ad-Aware can get rid of most of the spyware anyway, which is the usual stuff.
For the rest I have gone over to Musicmatch, PCWorld's top choice, you get 5 free burns and it doesn't have the ludicrous overweight front end full of stuff you don't need like RealPlayer.
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Sorry about this - I don't know what Spyware is - would someone mind explaining please?
Am now panic-stricken because just downloaded Kazaa, should I get rid of it again straight away?
Thanks,
HF
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ps - and what is 'reporting home'?
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I don't know what Spyware is - would someone mind explaining please? and what is 'reporting home'?
Spyware: Software installed with no disclosure that gathers information about the user of the machine then sends this back to another server. Some adware programs fit this term.
Adware: Software installed, usually with limited disclosure, that mainly delivers ads. Some adware programs fit the definition of spyware if they also gather data about the user, either to sell to others or to make the advertising more relevant.
Taken from www.guardian.co.uk/online/story/0,3605,744203,00.h...l
Plenty more info can be found on Google.
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Thanks Dynamic,
You are a mine of information!
Some pretty alarming stuff, certainly explains a few things that have happened on my computer over the months! Like the morning I turned on the machine and found it had downloaded many thousands of porn sites, complete with icons on my home page. Luckily I got there before the kids did, but it took an age to get rid of the stuff. In fact for all I know it's probably still lurking in there somewhre.
The most worrying one mentioned in the article is where they can use your modem to dial up a premium rate phone number - I hope I've got enough protection to stop this one!
HF
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Don't worry, spyware just sticks garbage ads for c**p you don't need (like the DT Motoring pages' ones for BMW and LR hehe) on your screen. It's harmless (SFAIK) but irritating.
Problem is it puts stuff on your PC you don't want or need enabling even more junk.
Logging on to www.lavasoftusa.com will get you Ad-Aware. It's free and you can run it and clean out your system of spyware when you feel like it.
Just one thing-- There is one file of Kazaa's -- (cd_clint.dll) which Ad-aware will throw up as part of spyware. Kazaa needs this to run, so don't delete it, it's harmless. Just add it to the Ad-Aware exclusion list for the future so your next purge overlooks it.
Or just keep a copy of the dll somewhere in cas you delete it by mistake (I've done this) so you can put it back as required.
Kazaa and other free stuff relies on ads for its funding (I think the latest Kazaa upgrade actually points this out) so this is why it has to include trash programs in its software.
Doubtless better informed dweebs out there can explain all this better than I!
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Thanks Growler,
you explained it all perfectly.
I actually downloaded Ad-Aware earlier, after you mentioned it in your previous post. It's thrown up all sorts of things, half of which I don't know if I should delete or not, and it also mentioned 'possible hijack attempts' which is a little alarming!
I guess this 'spyware' is the reason why I get mysterious unsolicited adverts appearing on my screen, relating to whatever subject I happen to be researching at the time.
Thanks for the info.
HF
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WinMX is better if you can't put up with the junk appearing on your screen. I automatically suggested Kazaa because my connection at Uni is behind a firewall and Kazaa works; WinMX doesn't.
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Had never heard of WinMX until Dynamic mentioned it earlier. Might take a look at that as well.
HF
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Perusing this lot , don't claim to understand more than a third of it, although I now know "water hammer" is what work me up every day at 4 a.m. in the Fawlty Towers I just stayed in in T. Wells. "Hammer" is what I felt like taking to the Croatian loon on the reception (where have the native English-speaking people gone in England?) who told me "it always does that in room 40 sir". Move over Manuel. Anyway......
Amazing the rich mine of knowledge and information here. I know this has nothing to do with the raison d'etre of the BR but it has proven to be excellent way of corralling all the non-motoring stuff which comes up and while off topic is useful to somebody. Usually somebody like me who has wondered about something for a long time and suddenly ses the subject come up at a tangent as part of another discussion.
M has to make it sure it doesn't take over the board of course, but I think it should stay.
Now I'm off to try WinMX.....
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Hi,
not really sure if I should even be posting this here, but downloaded WinMX this morning and found somethng that really disturbed me there.
Was browsing through the program, just trying to suss out how it works, looking at all the options etc - and came upon a list of 'chatrooms'.
Glanced briefly down the list, 99% at least sounded either very sad or very obscene - but one had a title which is totally sick, totally illegal, and something the police internationally are working on right now. Bearing in mind that the WinMX program has a disclaimer about any responsibility for any chatrooms it has on its program, is there anything I can do about this room? (I know they must be all over the web, but I've never seen one before and the thought makes me sick). If I called my local police, would they do anything, bearing in mind this is an ongoing and very current topic which is being tackled internationally? Or is there anyone else I should contact?
It's just not something that, having seen it, I can forget about.
Any comments will be gratefully received.
HF
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HF: I think you need to read up a good book on protecting yourself and your PC from harm on the internet. I am particularly worried about that you may have a "trojan horse" program on your disc that set up the porn site icons on your PC automatically.
As to your specific question, do a search on google for organisations that help make the internet safer for children (and adults), and then follow their advice. Remember, anything on your PC - however innocently you might claim it to have got stored on it - is your responsibility. Ignorance is no defence in law.
Considering the amount of time people on this forum spend on their PCs and internet (which may be greater than in their cars), they should perhaps give priority to learn the ins and outs of surfing the web safely.
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HF: I think you need to read up a good book on protecting yourself and your PC from harm on the internet. I am particularly worried about that you may have a "trojan horse" program on your disc that set up the porn site icons on your PC automatically. As to your specific question, do a search on google for organisations that help make the internet safer for children (and adults), and then follow their advice. Remember, anything on your PC - however innocently you might claim it to have got stored on it - is your responsibility. Ignorance is no defence in law. Considering the amount of time people on this forum spend on their PCs and internet (which may be greater than in their cars), they should perhaps give priority to learn the ins and outs of surfing the web safely.
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MB, thanks, a lot, for that.
The porn-site thing happened some months ago, and I haven't had such trouble since - so hopefully I don't have a trojan horse. If I had, would it not have done the same thing again by now?
As for your advice re my specific question - thanks, I will do a Google search and try to establish if there is anyone that I can contact about this.
I know about the problem where people can have things inside their PC innocently, and that this is no defence in law - which is why I never went into the room I referred to in my last post. A little bit of me wanted to just check it out, to see if it *really* was what it seemed, but I was too scared, both of what I might see, and also the consequences.
The net can be a wonderful thing - also though, I think, it has opened up realms of possibilities that perverts can use, which were never open to them before.
All I can say is what we already know here. If anyone has kids, then please monitor their internet use, always. If even a program as innocent-sounding and well-known has this stuff lurking, then, to me, it says that nothing is safe.
HF
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HF,
Sorry that you've stumbled on something offensive in WinMX. That was never my intention when I suggested it. I only use it for music sharing with others. Never bothered accessing the chatroom with it as I know what sad and perverted individuals lurk in those places. In fact I totally forgot WinMX had a chatroom facility.
I only started using WinMX (recommended to me by a friend) after Audio Galaxy went the same way as Napster did.
Again, sorry HF.
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Hi Dynamic,
NO need for apologies at all!!!! And of course I know that wasn't your intention when you mentioned the site!
In the past I've used Xollox (the one that downloaded all the porno things onto my computer) and then Bearshare, which seemed ok. But, like you said before, it includes Spyware! (see, I am now getting the lingo right, I believe?)
I haven't been in any of these WinMX chatrooms, just saw the titles and one of them particularly disturbed me, as
I said before, and I really don't know if I should alert the authorities or if they'll take no notice.
Dynamic, please don't feel you need to apologise to me about this, you really shouldn't. It's a website and as such we all know the possibilities.
Please, answer me one thing - if you HAD come across such a thing on WinMX, what would you have done?
Can only just repeat that you don't need to apologise - I think you know how much I value your input and advice, and I know full well that anything you say is made with the very best of intentions.
So, no more apologies needed!
HF
(and thanks for all the advice/help so far, and for all that I hope you will give me in the future)
Take care
HF
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if you HAD come across such a thing on WinMX, what would you have done?
Probably would have ignored it HF. That's where us men and women differ. Not trying to sound sexist, but IMHO, men tollerate porn and the like, more than women do.
Also I'm the only one with access to my pc, whereas you have kids that no doubt also use yours and I can fully understand you not wanting them to stumble on such nasties.
I'm sure there's a website specifically set up to report paedophile type websites; not sure about chatrooms though. For the life of me I can't remember the name though. If I happen to think of it, I'll post back.
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Thanks Dynamic,
Would be grateful to know the website name because this was (seemed to be from the title) a paedophile chatroom and I really don't feel I can just ignore it.
You don't sound sexist, there's nothing any of us can do but to tolerate *most* porn sites, and I suppose *most* of them are pretty harmless anyway, for those to whom they appeal - and I have parental controls set up so the kids can't access it.
It's just that this particular one turned my stomach. I was thinking of searching around a bit to see if I could find the site you're referring to, but I'd probably find my computer throws out a list of paedophile sites instead, so I don't think that's a good idea.
HF
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HF,
It is probably the case that the sickos using this chatroom are not doing anything legally wrong in just talking about the subject, although what it could lead to would obviously be a different matter. Probably the only thing that could be done would be to apply some moral pressure to whoever is hosting it (assuming they aren't one of them) to close the thing down.
I would also imagine that if it is that easy to find - being "advertised" on WinMX - there are probably authorities already monitoring it and the people who visit it. Internet use is about as anonymous as a mugshot, as yesterday's arrest figures showed.
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It is probably the case that the sickos using this chatroom are not doing anything legally wrong in just talking about the subject, although what it could lead to would obviously be a different matter.
I hope you're right, Slice, but the topic of the room included the word 'Trade', so I dread to imagine what might be going on in there.
Probably the only thing that could be donewould be to apply some moral pressure to whoever is hosting it (assuming they aren't one of them) to close the thing down.
These rooms are totally unregulated, as far as I can see, so I would imagine the host *is* 'one of them.' In fact I can't imagine that anyone who isn't 'one of them' would act as their host.
I would also imagine that if it is that easy to find - being "advertised" on WinMX - there are probably authorities already monitoring it and the people who visit it. Internet use is about as anonymous as a mugshot, as yesterday's arrest figures showed.
Yes, hope you're right - I've reported it to the site suggested by MB anyway.
HF
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My brother has used Kazaa vefore and found that it used to make his machine want to connect to the internet all the time, and just generally caused grief as the machine seemed to crash, and become unstable when it was installed. However, we have Zone Alarm personal firewall installed, which is ESSENTIAL for broadband users, our's detects numerous probes of our system by people and so far appears to have blocked every one of them. Best of all, it's FREE! :)
I'm gonna try this WinMX thing now though.
www.zonelabs.com
Blue
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Blue, hi, me again,
just looked at the Zone Alarm thing, it seems it wants me to buy its product rather than get it for free. (and I remember looking here before, and giving up in the end!) Do I just need to uncross all the boxes so that it will co-operate?
As for WinMX, I'm sure it's great, and I am going to keep it on my PC(Dynamic's information and advice has always been spot on, and I don't see any reason that that has changed!
My only problem is this one above regarding a certain room within WinMX - I need to know, what I can do about it? Can I report it somewhere, and if so, where?
Ridiculously tired and going to bed now, so good night, and speak soon. Take care.
HF
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