Wales is on the B6059 just to the east of the M1 ~ in Yorkshire!
P.S. Rattle, I deduce from your posts that (unless things have changed in the few years since you left school) English grammar, spelling, and punctuation are no longer deemed to be important!
;-)
Edited by L'escargot on 24/02/2009 at 03:45
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A daughter of mine with a degree in classics thought Milton Keynes was inside the M25!
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L'escargot's post timed at 03.42.
Do snails ever go to sleep?
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"and she thought Wales was in Yorkshire"
Rattle, maybe she is actually more knowledgable than you. Wales is in Yorkshire.
tinyurl.com/den7ob
Home of 'Sutherland Spread'!
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He should be in hibernation.
Which as I understand it is on the b6066 just outside little piddlington
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Just a little bit of browsing finds that,
"Habits: Snails and slugs are mainly nocturnal, but they come out of their hiding places and feed in the evening or on dark days."
I would suggest that he is only acting normally!
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>>L'escargot's post timed at 03.42.
If you had checked the night shift rota last week you would have seen L'escargot's name at the top.
Clk Sec
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>>"Habits: Snails and slugs are mainly nocturnal, but they come out of their hiding places and feed in the evening or on dark days.">>
Even more so if it's wet...
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Do snails ever go to sleep?
If you must know, 'er indoors invariably wakes me up when she takes her morphine and I have to do something until it takes effect.
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....If you must know, 'er indoors invariably wakes me up when she takes her morphine and I have to do something until it takes effect...
No offence intended, L'escargot, so I hope you didn't take any.
I don't sleep too well sometimes and have used a bit of Backrooming/general surfing as something I can do without making too much noise.
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Rattle
Your own posts on this site suggest that English is not your native language. Illiterate does not even begin to describe them. You did claim to have been to University; that seems extremely unlikely. You will probably not have noticed, but every regular poster on this website save for you takes care with his spelling and grammar.
I suggest you remove the beam from your own eye before worrying about your brother's mote.
I dare say that will be lost on you. But at least your sister's friend managed to communicate.
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A young woman I knew in Ghana in the 1970s once asked me in all seriousness whether it was possible to drive from London to New York.
Ghana isn't and wasn't a backward country either. But to someone with a sketchy and secondhand secondary education in those days, 'the West' probably looked like a sickly but seductively glowing never-never-land, where everyone could afford to go anywhere they wanted just like that...
TV and the internet have probably sharpened people up quite a bit since then. West African TV in the seventies was unbelievably carp, a bit like American TV but technically even worse.
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In 1990 I met an American in a Moscow hotel. He asked me: "Is London in England, or is it England that's in London?".
How he ever got as far as Moscow defeats me.
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I once worked for an American company. Their sense of geography was non existent. I once heard someone describe another of his American colleagues as "world famous in Oklahoma", in all seriousness.
They're an odd bunch. I like them but I couldn't eat a whole one.
JH
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All you have to say is "baseball world series"
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...All you have to say is "baseball world series"...
The term 'world series' is often used to illustrate Amewrican arrogance/ignorance about anything outside the U S of A.
To be fair to them, I'm sure the name came from one of the original event sponsors, a newspaper called the Boston World.
Many Americans are insular - very few bother to get a passport.
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>>Many Americans are insular - very few bother to get a passport.>>
I recall reading that just seven per cent of Americans have a passport.
However, in view of the fact that America contains virtually every type of climate and activity to be found on the planet and that there is, therefore, very little need to travel outside its vast area for the majority of the population, it's hardly surprising.
Edited by Stuartli on 24/02/2009 at 16:15
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In a hotel in Chad in the early eighties I detected an American accent in the fluent French of the tall, laid-back black guy, wearing civvies, next to me at the desk. I asked him, while the desk clerk was doing his thing, if he was American.
'Yup.'
'Well, you can pass...'
'Yup. Do it all the time.'
He was certainly US military, almost certainly some sort of special forces.
Among the hacks infesting the place was another black American filing for the Washington Times, a well-funded but rather right-wing organ owned by the Moonies. He was young and personable, not himself a Moonie, and unable to communicate with any of the locals who didn't speak English except through an interpreter. He had never been in Africa before. I asked him what he thought of it. He answered:
'So far, I'm not impressed.'
Tee hee! But they aren't all the same.
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They're an odd bunch. I like them but I couldn't eat a whole one.
That made me laugh aloud JH...
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In 1990 I met an American in a Moscow hotel. He asked me: "Is London in England or is it England that's in London?". How he ever got as far as Moscow defeats me.
I once drove an American down the M4 to Heathrow, with a a view of Windsor castle to one side. He asked, in all seriousness, why the queen of England would build her castle under the Heathrow flight path.
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A young woman I knew in Ghana in the 1970s once asked me in all seriousness whether it was possible to drive from London to New York.
New York, Lincolnshire, England?
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Google Earth used to return a result for London to New York. One of the steps was "swim"! Sadly it seems to have been cleaned up :-(
JH
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... it was possible to drive from London to New York. .. >>
Yes.
London Ontario, London Ohio, London Minnesota. etc.
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at least your sister's friend managed to communicate.
Bit of dyspepsia today Mm?
Rattle communicates all right as often as not. If everyone was equally 'literate' I would be out of a job. And if people like me understood how transistors work Rattle would be out of a job.
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that seems extremely unlikely. You will probably not have noticed but every regular poster on this website save for you takes care with his spelling and grammar.
I don't,
I dare say that will be lost on you. But at least your sister's friend managed to communicate.
Nor was I unable to comprehend the message that Rattle was trying to convey. I suggest your education could therefore be worse than mine if you had such a problem.
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Fight, fight!
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And she was bang on. Anyone with a modicum of knowledge of pre-Saxon history (yes there is one) would know that the area we now refer to as Leeds was known as Elfed and that the oldest recorded bit of Welsh literature originated after an ancient battle fought near Cattrick (or Catraeth) fought between the Britons (but more specifically recognisable Welsh speakers) and the Saxons. The poem actually celebrates the thrashing the Saxons had at the hands of a Celtic army. This army was based in Strathclyde (Stad Clud) which was also a recognisably Welsh speaking area. So basically Rattle your friend was right on the money.
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Except of course in those days there was no such place as Wales or the "welsh" I assume you are referring to the poetry of Taliesin?.
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Kids are an odd bunch anyway, I should know, I used to be one. My son, 36 last week still refers to me in writing, cards etc, as farther. He still eats with his knife and fork in the wrong hands but he's not cack-handed like his mum. I don't think spelling is top of many folks priorities nowadays, Neither is good grammar, A pal and I are always having a go at Asda for '10 items or less'. Don't even mention the old Apostrophe !.........go on, somebody, mention it.
Ted
Edited by Dynamic Dave on 24/02/2009 at 18:45
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For anyone who gets riled at the use of language, grammar or punctuation can I wholeheartedly recommend listening to the following as a bit of a reality check:
www.stephenfry.com/media/audio/109/series-2-episod.../
It's a podcast by Stephen Fry, but you can just listen to it on his site directly. I'm fairly sure there's no bad language or other offensive content.
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I suggest your education could therefore be worse than mine if you had such a problem.
IHAQ or five for Altea Ego,: Like Rattle,
1. Are you in IT ?
2. Do you have a degree in IT?
3. Are you an entrepreneur running your own business from a shed in the garden?
4. Do you drive sheds like MOT-fail Fiestas?
5. Do you refer to your Dad, Uncle, and/or Sister in your posts?
Edited by jbif on 24/02/2009 at 16:27
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>> I suggest your education could therefore be worse than mine if you had such a problem. IHAQ or five for Altea Ego : Like Rattle 1. Are you in IT ? 2. Do you have a degree in IT? 3. Are you an entrepreneur running your own business from a shed in the garden? 4. Do you drive sheds like MOT-fail Fiestas? 5. Do you refer to your Dad Uncle and/or Sister in your posts?
You mean you don't know? I think you went to the same school as Mapmaker.
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I went to the same school as Rattle...but I left 30 years before he was born.
Ted
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Since you are all geographers par excellence, what are the most Northern, Southern, Eastern and Western states of the US? Without looking it up or resorting to a map.
JH
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Do you mean the continental United States or all the States including Hawaii and Alaska?
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AE,
all of the states, including Hawaii and Alaska.
JH
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North is Alaska, South is Florida, West is Hawaii, and East is Maine. From memory
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Full marks for integrity. I'm saying nothing on the answer for now :-)
JH
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Full marks for integrity. I'm saying nothing on the answer for now :-) JH >>
I won't enter as I have seen this "trick" question and the correct answer before.
Hint: The answer has only two states.
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Well the most western state is Hawaii - it's in the Pacific ocean. Most northern Alaska I think.
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Alaska is obviously north of Canada. I won't cheat an edit my last post ;-)
Texas may be a bit south of Florida. Maine is eastern most?
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I posted the first answer quick to get in with a response ;-)
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Isn't Hawaii easternmost and westernmost?
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Isn't Hawaii easternmost and westernmost?
No its the most west and most southern
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>>Isn't Hawaii easternmost and westernmost?
Same logic would apply to Maine.
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Isn't Hawaii easternmost and westernmost?
And possibly southernmost?
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Hawaii is almost 20 degrees short of the 180 degree line.
JH
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Hawaii is almost 20 degrees short of the 180 degree line.
JH
I'm sure that you are correct but I seem to remember a 'knowall' in my local a few years ago saying that there are islands that are considered to be part of Hawaii that stretch 1,000 miles and more westwards until they actually become, technically at least, 'eastwards'. A bit like Alaska, really.
The 'knowall' has thankfully moved on to another pub and I am happy to take your version as the correct one.
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The circumference of the earth is just short of 25,000 miles, so 1000 miles is 1/25 or about 14 degrees. The Hawaiian chain does span a vast distance, maybe even 1,000 miles but it is still well short of 180 degrees
JH
Edited by JH on 24/02/2009 at 17:54
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Ok I resort to a map
Now I can see why its only two states. I got two right anyway
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Ok I resort to a map Now I can see why its only two states. I got two right anyway
No, only one :-)
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Courtesy of jbif's hint, Alaska iirc crosses the line between the Eastern and Western hemispheres, so I imagine that it qualifies for Eastern, Western and Northern.
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and for most Southerly?
JH
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Most southerly is Hawaii then. Hadn't realised so many islands were part of Alaska...
www.worldatlas.com/aatlas/infopage/nsewusa.htm
Edited by rtj70 on 24/02/2009 at 17:37
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The prize is split between Mapmaker and rtj70 with
Alaska - most Northern, Eastern & Western (it crosses the date line)
Hawaii - most Southern. (Southerly?)
JH
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To admit to my geography being a little off in the past. When I went to my brother's wedding in California, because he's been a few times I went to a Hawaiian Island afterwards for a break. I knew it was far from America before booking it (and flew from SFO to LA to Maui) but had not quite realised how far until booking it. Still went.
The American's on the west coast go there like Brits to Spain.... but it's a long way! Which is why I stopped off in NY on the way back to Manchester.
PS Wales is in Yorkshire. Not the principality but the town.
Edited by rtj70 on 24/02/2009 at 17:42
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Not only is it a long way from the mainland, the islands are well spread out when you get there. We flew from Oahu to Kauai and that took about an hour on a full size jet. I was expecting a dinky little thing, it came as a bit of a shock.
JH
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The prize is split between Mapmaker and rtj70 with Alaska - most Northern Eastern & Western (it crosses the date line) Hawaii - most Southern. (Southerly?)
but the DATE line is bent round Alaska including the islands.
Edited by Altea Ego on 24/02/2009 at 17:45
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True, sloppy use of language for which I seek forgiveness :-) I meant the 180 degree line (meridian?) of course.
JH
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Alaska - most Northern Eastern & Western (it crosses the date line)
Completely irrelevant. It is the Meridian that counts. And anyway, Alaska does not cross the date line - just imagine how confusing that could be... you could say to your neighbour "See you on Tuesday morning" and you might arrive 24 hours apart!
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What about all the other territories that are not classed as States, but part of the USA? e.g. Puerto Rico and Guam.
Edit: And is Guam east or west of the USA :-)
Edited by rtj70 on 24/02/2009 at 17:26
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The point here is, a: would the yanks know and b:what would they know of the UK.
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Be fair though AE. The gringos may be insular about the rest of the world, but perhaps we are insular about the US too...
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Ah thats the point i tried (badly) to make.
We (The British) know as much about the geography and history of the united states as they do, but they know little about ours - possibly because they export their history through media perhaps. But if we then extrapolate that to include the geography and history of the rest of the world, our knowledge is far superior to theirs. That's when they become insular.
which as stuartli said is fine as they don't need the rest of the world, except of course when you try to become policeman of the world or reach out abroad to seize resources.
Or even - as they have found out - when global finances bring then to their knees.
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Interesting original Q, Rattle!
I have 2 confessions to make:
a) I'm an ex-teacher
b) My subject was/is Geography
and a third confession
c) I could go on for hours!!! - but I won't!
One of the reasons for people's ignorance of location is the way in which Geog is now taught. Most of us "oldies" would have learnt "Regional Geography" - location, climate, landscape, economy, crops, industries, main cities etc of different parts of the world - this hasn't been done for years. Nowadays it is all "themes" which doesn't give the same sense of location.
Another reason is mode of travel - in the old days I would be in the car doing the mapreading for the journey - we would all play "I-spy" and similar games or point out landmarks etc as we passed. Now there is satnav, DVD players, handheld computers etc - do kids look out of the window?? Also air travel - hop on a plane and you are transported half way round the world in a few hours - no sense of distance and when you land at your "all in" holiday destination do you spend the whole time sitting round a pool which could be anywhere? On a school trip to Austria once we were passing spectacular mountains and glaciers - what did the pupils want? American Pie on the coach video player.
There are a million other reasons but consider also the impact on other subjects, say history. For the girl (and I kid you not) who, on a world map placed France in China and Germany in India, how does she cope with studying WW1 or WW2? How did we get the BEF from Shanghai - I mean Dunkerque; how did Hitler rain V1s and V2s on London? And how long does she the Channel Tunnel is?
Enough - like one of my lessons - too long and rambling!!
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A map is a fascinating and unique document. Its a history lesson, its a work of art, its a documentary, a teller of tales, a key to new experiences.....
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I did Geography GCSE and I can still remember most of it. None of it was about where places are though - it was about reservoirs, deltas, wildlife in Snowdonia, a traffic survey in a nearby village and what we called then shanty towns in Sao Paulo.
Still interesting stuff though.
In a kind of geeky way though, I do know where most places are, because we had to learn them all off by heart for a sponsored map test at primary school!
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I remember a contest (being Welsh) at primary school listing towns/villages starting Llan (old Welsh word for church). I won.... used a road atlas' index ;-)
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But I think Rattle might have been teased a bit. There is a town called Wales in Yorkshire :-)
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Nope because it became pretty obvious she didn't have a clue where anythign was including Manchester! I reckon if my sister had to plot Manchester on the map she would stick it in Cockermouth!
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That's nothing. Chatting to people yesterday the subject of limmericks came up. Several there had not heard the one about the old man from Leeds, and his seeds. I will stop there before I provoke another bout of SOHF.
Edited by FotheringtonThomas on 24/02/2009 at 17:50
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The version I heard (on Radio 4 11.30 today) concerned a woman!
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And just to stir up PU a little with his tales of the victorious Welsh - the word "Welsh" comes from the Anglo-Saxon(?) for "Foreigner"
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PhilW... why do you say stir up PU? I posted above not PU... we are both Rob but he's pugugly and I am rtj70 (boring I know - I came temporarily and stayed so the name mattered not at the time).
Edit: I am also Welsh... but we did win in the rugby.
Edited by rtj70 on 24/02/2009 at 18:41
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I was going to point out to AE that I used the modern term Welsh to identiify them ethnically from other Celts. In their own language the Welsh call themselves Cymry (a notion of community/brotherhood) Taliesyn's warriors were the Cymric. Interesting link to the rugby saw an ad for the match (online I think) "The relationship between Wales and England is based on trust and understanding - they don't understand us (the Welsh) and we don't trust them !" which I suppose sums up a 500 year relationship....since the Act of Union.
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Unless Llandudno is in Yorkshire and they all speak Welsh in Leeds then this Wales is most certainly not in Yorkshire. We could also argue that Yorkshire no longer exists if we wanted.
I do have a degree and yes my dissertation was so full of mistakes it took me 6 weeks to correct! But I did spend a few days reading through it unlike the posts on here.
I also remember a couple of years back having to tell someody who was bought up in Milton Keynes that it was in Buckingdamshire and that is a county I rarely go through.
My knowledge of USA geography is pretty poor, I know where most states are but I would not confidence of getting a map right. I would not expect an American to know where Nottingham is for example.
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...somebody who was bought up in Milton Keynes...
How much did they cost?
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I don't think this is the right place to discuss how much the local girls charge...
It was just I don't even know.
Another pet Geography hate is a few people who have to go everywhere by Motorway even though the journey is about a quarter of the distance by A roads. I am 10 mins away by local roads from the Trafford Centre and my friends mother used to take us when I was younger and she used to go on the motorway it took so much longer.
In my car [when I have one] I use my local knowledge to find my way backed up by a Satnav and then by an A-Z but by far the best way to navigate is using the sun.
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I was going to point out to AE that I used the modern term Welsh to identiify them ethnically from other Celts. In their own language the Welsh call themselves Cymry (a notion of community/brotherhood) Taliesyn's warriors were the Cymric. Interesting link to the rugby
As far as ethnic Celts go - they were all the same and spread over much of the higher lands of the British isles. I was pointing out that the location of "wales" per say did not exist as it was a matter of "location"
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Were they ?? P&Q Celtic types show distinctive differences in their DNA. I know that you were I should have pointed out that Wales didn't actually exist then and Wales/Welsh terms would not have been recognised - but life's too short.
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Sorry Rob - I may be good with places but not so good with names!!! I was actually referring to PUs post above about the Welsh victory over the Saxons at Catterick. And yes you did win the rugby and, though it pains me to say it, thoroughly deserved to! It's like a return to the '70s at the moment (and that Scott Gibbs try in '99!!) - Wales beating England - painful but made less painful because of the enterprising way Wales play.
And as a totally irrelevant aside, my son is also a "Rob" who was born on the day Gareth Edwards retired. My wife suggested Gareth (not knowing anything about Edwards or rugby) as his middle name - which I agreed to - even though as an England supporter it might seem heretical - but then great rugby players are great rugby players and a joy to watch no matter the nationality - and those '70s Welsh sides had some of the greatest ever.
Regards
Phil
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Don't worry too much about getting it wrong. According to Penelope Keith (supposedly driving a De Dion from London to Liverpool on TV the other night), Dunstable's been moved to Buckinghamshire!
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I'd overlooked/missed PUs post higher up ... apologies to you PhilW and PU.
As for "and that Scott Gibbs try in '99" I was in the same class at comprehensive as Scott so I really did play rugby with him. Weekly. I won't say more on a forum apart from saying he was a very talented player and all round sportsman.....
And Rattle, there is a Wales in Yorkshire. It is a town.
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