I got a Miele to replace our old upright. I read the reports which concluded modern cylinders had advanced to the stage that they out-performed uprights. The Miele performs excellently.
Almost all bagless models have various filters that need regular (expensive) replacement, so there's no cost saving.
Edited by bathtub tom on 27/02/2008 at 16:03
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I really do need a powered brush bar as I have four dogs. I've found the lifetime Dyson filters easy to clean and don't need replacing so much cheaper than bags. The convenience of being able to unclip the dust container and empty it over the bin with one hand is great. I notice Dyson do industrial grade cleaners, I'll have to see if they're more robustly constructed. I've no problem with the design or performance of Dysons, just the quality and durability of some of the plastics.
Edited by nick on 27/02/2008 at 16:14
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I wonder if Dyson plastic quality has been reduced over the years to sell it at a more competitive price?
I've read the Dyson Story and one aspect they wanted to get right was the plastic. They did use a plastic which was used for extreme industrial processes and it could be hit very hard without breaking.
We have a DC04 and once when cleaning it, it fell off a 3 foot wall onto paving slabs then bounced down six concrete steps with no ill effects. It has also fallen down the stairs more than once and it often falls onto it's back when I'm doing the car using the crevice tool, but I've never managed to actually break it.
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On my dyson, the handle you lift it with has cracked and the clip that holds the extension tube in has broken. On my previous one, a wheel fell off. They work well but I'd pay another £50 to have one that would last 20 years like the Hoovers of old.
Edited by nick on 27/02/2008 at 17:01
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What's an upright vacuum cleaner? Can't you use one of these?
www.numatic.co.uk/products4.asp?id=23
N.B. this is not the "normal" version, it's got an electrically-driven brush head. You can get re-usable cloth bags to go in 'em, which you can put through the washing machine if you need to.
They're very good indeed, especially on hairy carpets, & as tough as old boots! About £170.
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I don't know about being the best upright, but I finally got fed up with my cylinder Dyson, and bought an upright Vax. It's a revelation. It picks up far better than the Dyson ever did. As well as the advantage of a powered brush bar, the hose attachment also has a head with a brush bar on it, so excellent for doing the stairs.
And it's about half the price of a Dyson too, as you only pay for the cleaner, not for the name on the side of it.
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HENRY FOR EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!
MD
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Forget Dyson - buy a Henry. Excellent quality and performance plus it's British. You won't regret it.
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Henry is good, but if you want the very best upright cleaner around then there's no substitute for a Sebo X1...:-)
It's the equivalent of a Miele washing machine.
Miele also do vacuum cleaners...:-)
Edited by Stuartli on 27/02/2008 at 22:53
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The Die-son is the equivalent of a Corsa with wide wheels and spoilers. All show and no go!
But, swmbo loves hers...............ahhh! the power of marketing.
MD
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We won't buy a Dyson again. We replaced ours with a Miele, better by far.
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Henry is good but if you want the very best upright cleaner around then there's no substitute for a Sebo X1...:-)
henry k agrees.
I do not have space to store a bulky dayglow fashion statement that will not easily clean under low futniture.
Sebo is 1st class engineering and I like ability to dismantle it without tools.
The ability to remove the brush instantly is a must in my household.
I took the advice on which to buy from my local independant shop ( as he pointed to the line of Dysons awaiting repair)
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All of this talk of upright vacuum cleaners is ridiculous. Who pushes one of those old things around any more? What you want is one of these:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roomba
Can confirm these things are superb. As the marketing says, "Cleans while you sleep" to which I would add, "or go down the pub, or read a book, or whatever you want as long as it's not housework".
Edited by Baskerville on 28/02/2008 at 13:02
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Roomba
They're OK if you've got the sort of place that they can work well in. They will pick up bits of fluff and stuff, but heavy duty they're not (also get stuck under things, etc.). Also, no good at all on stairs!
Edited by FotheringtonThomas on 28/02/2008 at 13:51
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I'd love a Miele, but they don't do bagless uprights. The Sebo has bags, which I don't want, I hate buying something just to throw it away. Henrys do work well, but take up a lot of space and the tools have to be stored somewhere which means running downstairs to get the one you want and I hate emptying and cleaning dusty bags.
The beauty of a Dyson is the great design, all the tools onboard, the hose folds away and is long enough to do the stairs, the bin is a doddle and clean to empty with no mess and the filters are easy to clean once in a blue moon. If only they did a more robust one. Surely someone must make such a thing? I'll definitely check out the Dyson industrial range and see if they're tougher.
Thanks for all the suggestions so far though.
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My Vax has all the features you have mentioned.
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Sounds good, which model?
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We buy "disposable vaccum cleaners" - well they are not disposable as such but equivalent to.
Typically £30-£50 @ Makro outlets - they last 2-3 years and bin it - it works out cheaper than a Dyson @ £150-£200 and binning after 2-3 yrs.
That said we have a Vax that had stood the test of say 7 years but is "upstairs light use only"
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Ah well... that's the question alright.
I *think* the one we got was the 'turboforce zero'. They have quite a range, with differences in motor power, length of hose, etc.
For your needs I'd say make sure you get a 2000w one, make sure it has one of the longer hoses (this one has something ridiculous like a 10m hose). The turbotool I find very useful too.
Actually their website is pretty comprehensive. Here's the entry for ours:
www.vax.co.uk/shop/product_detail.php?productID=265
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Pah. Vax "air-driven brush", indeed. This will be comprehensively out-sucked by the startlingly superior electrically-powered offering from Numatic!
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This will be comprehensively out-sucked by the startlingly superior electrically- powered offering from Numatic!
Surely out-brushed, not out-sucked? Since the brush itself has nothing to do with the sucking.
The brush bar on the vacuum itself is belt driven, it's only the small, convenient attachment for the hose which is air driven. It works very well actually, you can get it to stall, but you have to hold it pretty hard against the carpet to do so.
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>>The beauty of a Dyson is the great design..>>
The design is great - the problem is (or perhaps was) the sheer fragility of the product.
My best mate, whose advice has always been spot on, has only recently retired from owning his own independent audio/visual/appliances outlet and sold many a Dyson (despite his advice to customers to buy anything but a Dyson, who were usually seduced by TV advertising).
A very large proportion of his subsequent revenue came courtesy of Dyson repairs....:-)
Yes, a Sebo upright does use bags, but they don't need replacing all that often and the cleaner offers top allergy microfiltration. See:
www.sebo.co.uk/Pages/uprights.html
for the facts, plus the info that the country's top consumer magazine rates the Sebo as number one in its field.
I don't pay around double the price over the average washing machine or a vacuum cleaner for no good reason - it's because not only are they the tops in their field, but will also prove utterly reliable for three or four times longer (I have a Miele washing machine as well as a Sebo).
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>>I don't pay around double the price over the average washing machine or a vacuum
>>cleaner for no good reason
Indeed not. Those advertising campaigns costs a lot of money and have to be financed somehow.
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The Sebo has bags, which I don't want, I hate buying something just to throw it away.
I throw away the bags and keep the cleaner. :-)
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Some celebrations forthcoming for Miele early next week.....:-)
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