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Why can?t I go? For years now it has been a serious problem for me. In the Western Desert where we survived on a diet of bully beef and biscuits there was scarce a Tommy who didn?t suffer from that light-headed, bloating feeling that inevitably comes from going more than a couple of days without a good evacuation. I was no exception.
After the war it was still one of those things that just wouldn?t pass :o) In the late sixties it culminated in me suffering from extremely inflamed and infected piles. I had to have an operation to correct this but it didn?t correct the underlying problem. I still had to strain whenever I went for a poo.
Nowadays I sit on the throne bouncing my leg up and down in the vain hope of encouraging my sluggish peristaltic motion. As I sit here typing there are few things that I wouldn?t give just for the pleasure of emptying my bowels :o)
What I would like to know is this. Has anyone else suffered from the problem, and if so, what did you do to cure yourself of it?
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thanks for that tea and toast and reading abulations :-(
eat a packet of fig rolls 32pence netto
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fibrogel - see your chemist
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fibrogel - see your chemist
It's now called Senokot Hi-Fibre.
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What you need is Senokot Hi-Fibre. You mix it with water and get something a bit like wallpaper paste in consistency. You drink it before it thickens. It comes in various flavours. It has a nice gentle action. See tinyurl.com/3484sa
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Porage for breakfast is a good start, or a good muesli. Accompanied with a few prunes or juice of prunes. Snack on dried prunes, apricots and figs during the day will help.
As a less expensive option to Senokot Hi-Fibre buy some psyllium husk, which is what the products above are made from. Enough to last for several years costs about 80 pence, most often found in asian shops. Mix a teaspoon with juice or best of all with a yoghurt or fromage frais - makes wall paper paste more acceptable! Make sure you are also drinking 8 pints of water a day (no, not just single malt) will help.
You can ask your GP for lactulose (basically a sugar syrup) which will soften anything up without drugs, then of course there is the good old senna, which can be used with all of the above if really in trouble - senna and lactulose are a common combination.
When you had your piles op the physio should have given you some info - on the throne sit leaning forward slightly with elbows resting on knees will help get things moving and prevent too much strain.
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You could think about a more natural remedy with plenty of high fibre foods, but less red meat and dairy products.
It might resolve your loo problem and lower your blood pressure as well.
I?m no expert, though.
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Thanks to everyone who provided ?positive? suggestions. I appreciate any help that I can get from anyone who is prepared to listen and offer constructive advice.
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I've not eaten meat for 20+ years, plenty of veg's,weetabix and plenty of water (3 pints minimum a day), regular as clockwork sometimes twice a day-my empathy to you
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Take a good dose of either cod liver oil or liquid parrafin! (medical variant! not the stuff you put in heaters)
- shifts anything
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Why can?t I go? >>
Had Prostrate cancer 2005 at age 47. One of the best bits of advice I have ever heard and one that should be taught in schools AFAIAC is this. We all think that to sit on the loo legs akimbo is going to help us going if you get my drift???..well not so. Sit knees together and feet raised as high as is possible, say at least on 2 or 3 yellow page directories or equivalent or higher if you can. The illustration I was shown clearly shows that it straightens one of the bowels, not sure which one, but it works. I have never heard this from a Doctor, but trust me on this one??????Bombs away Trubshaw.
VBR????????..MD.
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>>Bombs away Trubshaw.
Quite right MD. The African squat, far better than the po-faced (do I really mean that?) European lounge.
Helps to have an African diet too - lots of carbohydrate, fibre and fruit, and I mean lots, for manual labour in a hot climate, and not too much first-class protein or fat or refined sugar. Or too much alcohol or any tobacco.
That way, unless you get bitten by a snake or contract some ghastly disease, you live hale and hearty to a ripe old age.
I wish I had known all that when I was younger.
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I wish I had known all that when I was younger.
Another glass then Lud?
MD
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My bathroom loo has a very slow flow of water into the cistern.
It's one of those compact cisterns ie without a traditional ballcock (let's see if the swearfilter is awake) and arm but a kind of all-in-one up and down cylinder action.
Any clues how to adjust these little fellahs?
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I assume you do mean "slow filling", and not "overflow".
Try:
http:// www.opella.co.uk/PDF%20Lefleats/Torbeck%20Side%20L...f
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No the water is overflowing from the cistern into the pan ie whatever float mechanism it is, isn't quite shutting off the flow.
I can't recall the make and there's no brand on it, but the innards look more complicated than the pdf, the overflow is intergral to the filling/float mechanism.
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in my search for the answer to this I've come across:
www.expertvillage.com
it's an American website that has 1000's of diy and self-help videos and articles on just about every subject imaginable - except compact cisterns:(
the automotive-mechanical ones would especially be of help to some on here (like me)
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Sometimes bits of scale get into the plunger recess with a conventional ballcock and cause a permanent slow overflow. In the past I have found that a bit of discreet violence, jerking the ballcock up and down a few times, will crush or dislodge the obstruction. Some sort of adjustment is usually possible too, at worst by bending the pipe that the ballcock is attached to.
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No ball cock, no arm to bend though
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My bathroom loo has a very slow flow of water into the cistern.
This may be intentional, and if so it's for the purpose of reducing noise when it's filling. If this is indeed the case there may be a restrictor in the inlet fitting which can be removed. However, increasing the flow might result in the water splashing up and out of the cistern. This, however, could be solved by fitting a regulating tap in the inlet pipe and/or by partially closing the main stop-tap. Finding the preferred solution could be a matter of trial and error.
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Sorry guys I've cocked this up, description wise....posting in haste.
The cistern is slowly overflowing into the pan - the heading of the post was right but the body of my first post was misleading.
It's been doing for a few weeks now.
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>>Sorry guys I've cocked this up, description wise
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Any sign of the maker on the unit?
There are now so many different units in toilets these days.
Perhaps you could try a Google search for " toilet siphons" and find your type of unit.
Then let us know.
I feel sure you will then get some more accurate suggestions / or "solutions" to your problem.
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No markings but I'm pretty sure we got it from CP hart but it was about 9 or 1o years ago.
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SWMBO decided to have two toilets with these jobbies fitted whilst I was at work one day, this slow flow does indeed seem to be delibrate, and indeed they do have a quiet flush. Living in a hard water area the trickle is forming a stain in the bowl. Sorry nothing more useful to add.
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They're called Torbeck valves and are prone to collecting dirt inside the needle valve. Turn the water off to the toilet, take the cover off the cystern and unscrew the ballcock / float valve. Turn the water back on gently and flush any debris through the valve. The inlet side of the valve has a spiral affair to slow the feed and reduce noise (as well as a pollethene sock inside the cystern), these also get blocked with debris and can also cause trouble. Again with the water off remove the feed pipe from the inlet side of the valve and pull the centre of the valve out. Clean the helter skelter with a nail brush before refitting (or not ;o))
You may have to remove the float assembly a few times to flush out the debris, ours gave trouble for the first 6 months and has been perfect for the last 3 years after I forgot to refit the helter skelter.
Have a bucket and rags / towels handy to mop up spillages.
HTH
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I still don't think we understand the symptoms.
If the inlet valve leaked I would expect the continued flow to normally leave the cistern via an overflow pipe to outside.
Nsar, does your cistern have an overflow pipe to outside or does it have an arrangement whereby any overflow from the cistern is piped into the toilet pan?
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L'escargot,
This type of valve does overflow into the toilet pan, there is no overflow pipe to the outside world.
As wemyss says I also thought that overflows had to create a nuisance to encourage repair.
I suppose that nowadays with blocks of flats, an overflow from the 6th floor is a bit irrelevant.
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As a one time Plumber for many years I?m surprised to hear that there are now WC cisterns which are allowed to overflow when the ballvalve is faulty into the pan.
The Water Boards regulations regarding all overflows was ?The outlet for the overflow should be sited in a place of inconvenience or nuisance?.
Obviously this is to make the householder have the ballvalve repaired or replaced to avoid the wastage of water.
With the old type and there was water running into the pan it would have been the siphon which was faulty with a small pinhole in it.
This seems a step backwards in design if water is allowed to run to waste.
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.... I?m surprised to hear that there are now WC cisterns which are allowed to overflow when the ballvalve is faulty into the pan.
You can actually buy kits to get the overflow to do this. tinyurl.com/2vxlw3
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Since many customers now pay for the volume of water consumed, letting the overflow run into the pan provides an early indication of a leak. Maybe men spot it first! (Altho I suppose it depends who cleans the pan!). The only problem is with the servants toilet in the garden that may not be frequented by the bill payer.
Definitely a step forward to save running a waste from the downstairs toilet in the middle of the house, with no easy route to the outside world.
I converted all of mine to Torbec valves once they became widely available about 12 years ago.
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Thanks for all the replies. The overflow runs from the cistern into the pan. I will now try to get my head round the instructions above.
Cheers all
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I have accumulated hundreds of FREE CDs some I will keep but most I have no interest in, can they be recycled, or what can one do with them
Edited by Pugugly {P} on 09/11/2007 at 19:05
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dont try breaking them in your hand as they splinter,(well someone has to find out)
give them to a hospice shop if they have any retail value :-)
Edited by Pugugly {P} on 09/11/2007 at 19:42
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or less charitably e-bay. You'd be surprised, a tight fisted ex-colleague is flogging them there.
Edited by Pugugly {P} on 09/11/2007 at 19:43
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See if you can find out who your local Guide/Brownie/Rainbow Guider is or donate them to a playschool or similar. There are loads of crafts that need old CDs, especially at Christmas.
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They appear regularly in our local charity shop for 10-20p each. They also appear regularly on Freecycle.
I have seen them used on the local allotments as bird scarers.
We used them, as suggested by PG, for our Halloween crafts this year for our local charity Supporting special Children And their Relatives and Friends (SCARF). Other similar groups will also welcome them.
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Try Help the Aged:
www.helptheaged.org.uk/en-gb/HowYouCanHelp/Recycli.../
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I am trying to find a Nintendo Wii - it's the must have Xmas pressie for the kids this year. None of the shops in the UK have any and seem to be saying that they won't get anymore now until the New Year.
As the European version of the Wii is identical to the UK PAL version (apart from the 2 pin plug) I have been trying to find a French or German online store where I could purchase from for delivery to the UK. I tried Amazon (French & German sites) but they have now stopped taking orders for electronic items for delivery to the UK.
I know a few of the BR's live in France or Germany (or are more familiar with these countries than I am) and I wondered if anyone could recommend a few online sites to try out?
Many thanks in advance.
SLT
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I thought this was the must have present last Christmas. We got the youngest a Wii last year.
Quick look online suggests they are in short supply - maybe the rumour of the new Wii with DVD playing ability is true? Maybe a new revised version on the way?
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Your post reminded I needed to get my order in which I've just done on the amazon UK site. Delivery quoted 13 Nov. I looked at the discussion board about buying from Germany but for nthe difference ion price if it all goes TU made me think CBA.
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You managed to get one from the UK Amazon site? Was it (if you don't mind me asking) in the region of £179? There are pleny of rip off merchants taking advantage by asking prices as high as £299 for something which normally retails at £179.
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Before I posted I noted Amazon was "shipping" them for a lot of money. And it was not Amazon at all.
I cannot see how these could be out of stock 12 months after they first came out. I think there might be a revised version coming out or something. Certainly odd to be sold out so early.
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They're not out of stock. I got one in September by just walking into Game in Basingstoke and buying one.
Don't believe all the hype about them being out of stock as that's what pushes the price up!
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Coincidence, I looked it up on ebay on fri,as semi interested, whilst there were 2nd hand ones for sale there were also retailers selling them, one might be close enough to you to collect-otherwise I'd try online, Argos or toys r us -good luck
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I have tried EVERY single online store I can think of an none of them have them in stock right now. With all due respects to the poster above September was a couple of months ago - right now there isn't anything available in the UK as far as I can tell.
Back to my original question - anyone in Europe know of any online retailers I could try and buy a Wii from???
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If you go to Google.de and search wii you should get some results. First one up was Quelle.de (don't know who they are or if any good) but they have bundles for around 300eur - seems to be stock available. My German not good enough to work out delivery charges though.
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With respect, have just put Wii into ebay, brand new condition, and 2357 came up. All in unopened new condition with, at least, controls, five games and warranty.
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The problem with the ebay ones is that they are overpriced. The 'five games' they bill is actually just the one game that comes with the console. In the shops this would be £180 - on ebay it is up to £250 with £20 or more p&p.....
....depends how desparate you are!
Rather disappointing situation though - my parents had this same problem last year buying one for my little brother.
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Mister Gooddeal have them in stock with four games at ?279.
Here's the page.
www.mistergooddeal.com/v2/v2_home.asp?num=1
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You can also get one from www.cdiscount.com/home/default.asp
PACK NINTENDO WII + WII SPORT
246.80 ?
ou 3 x 84.73 ?
Console Nintendo WII + Le jeu Wii Sports (inclus 5 jeux : tennis, golf, baseball, bowling, boxe) + la Wiimote + le Nunchuk - WII - La dernière console de Nintendo avec sa fameuse manette révolutionnai...
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Thanks Robbie - sadly I can't get their systems to take a UK delivery address.
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Just spoke to a guy in Virgin - he says there will be a shipment to the UK this week, but he only expects to get 6-9 units. I guess it will be pot luck if you can get hold of one.
Might try myself and stick it on ebay:-0)
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Four in my local Woolworth this afternoon, £190.00 including extras, nearly bought the lot to e-bay them.
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play.com have 15 in stock (@£277 each)
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play.com have 15 in stock (@£277 each)
= rip off.
This is my point - depending on where you are in the UK you might just get lucky - otherwise it's just the same old story - out of stock etc etc.
I am pleased to report that both Amazon.de and Amazon.fr are taking orders for UK delivery - at prices less than the UK model including delivery.
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Are you sure the French version is the same as the UK version? I dont know the Wii but what does method does it use to modulate the tele?
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Apparantly the answer is Yes - the French version will work on UK televisions as it's a PAL format rather than SECAM.
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A couple of people at work have got hold of them in the past few days. Their secret was just to phone all their local shops (Woolies, Argos, The Game, etc) every day until one of them ended up with some. Ten minutes every morning paid off. It's very quick because all the shops seem to be telling their phone operators so you don't even need to get through to the department in question.
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Sounds like it was easier for us getting the Wii last Christmas! Okay had to preorder but we got one. I cannot believe people will pay so much over the list price to get one.
Looks like Nintendo going for the cheaper and more basic console is winning against Microsoft and Sony :-)
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Is there an easy way of finding out which airlines fly to a given airport? I know where I want to go, but can't fathom out how to find all the airlines that fly there - I want to go from the UK. I could visit zillions of websites, but is there an easier way? For info, I'm trying to track down who flies to Salzburg from the south of England other than BA, Austrian Airlines, Ryanair and Flybe.
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See:
www.ukwebstart.com/listairlines.html
Also RyanAir, Thomson, Flybe.com, British Airways, Aer Lingus, Jet2.com & Sky Europe (some already listed by you).
See:
www.thomsonfly.com/en/index.html re Thomson.
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Does the airport itself have a website? Then you could look at Arrivals...
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Does the airport itself have a website? Then you could look at Arrivals...
And many will have downloadable timetable and/or list of IT destinations.
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www.farecompare.com/
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I've also found www.kayak.com to be very useful.
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www.cheap0.com (note the 0 not an o at the end) or the truly awesome skyscanner.net
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www.skyscanner.net may be useful to find airlines/airfares. It works well for me.
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My lawn is a mess. The early part of the summer meant that it grew and grew and grew and whenever I had an hour to cut it it was precipitating too heavily to attack with my electric mower. I've now had chance over the last few weeks to cut it back so that its a decent enough length, but after raking several tons of leaves from the lawn and taking quite a lot of moss with them thanks to the extreme soggyness of the early summer, I'm now left with two issues.
The first is some significant patches of bare earth that should be lawn. How do I repair these and as its now getting frosty do I leave these until the spring?
The second is what to do with the mountain of leaves that I've now got stored underneath some old roofing felt that had been loitering in the back of the garage for about 20 years. Will they naturally compost over the winter to a state where I can just sprinkle some good quality compost onto my hungry lawn or do I need to help it along? Even if I help it along will it turn into decent compost?
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the best way to get the leaves to compost is to stuff them into black-bin bags, tie them up and poke a few holes in them, however only use this method for leaves as anyother organic matter will just turn to a slimey mess.
As for the bare lawn patches, the best way is to patch the damaged area with a bit of turf the same size (nicked or borrowed) from a spare area of lawn/grassland, simply cut out the damaged area, lay in turf and stamp it in well and water.
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Bit late to be worrying about the lawn now - a lawn repair kit (under a fiver) used from around next March/April will quickly bring up new growth.
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I agree with the bin bags for leaves approach and have used this sort of method for years. It needs the leaves to be damp/wet.
I find that if the leaves have thick stems then you finish up next year with leaves broken down but no change to the stalks. I resort to taking bags of such leaves to the green tip as I do not want to either wait for years or extract stalks prior to using the end product. If the leaves have not broken down by next year then I mix them with grass cuttings thus avoiding the green slime from dense piles of clippings.
In the spring, when we hopefully get some sun I tend to spread the compost on some plastic to dry it. When sieved it can be easily hand broadcast on the lawn.
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New kettle - the instructions say something to the effect of: "always discard all previously boiled water before refilling".
Why?
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Residual water, over time, can absorb chemicals from the kettle. For similar reasons you're advised to run the cold tap before using it as drinking water. And never drink from a tap that is served by the cold water tank ~ there's no telling what might be in it!
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Makes sense to change it every now and then however if every time we boil the kettle we discard the unused water, however little, think of the waste not to mention the wasted energy on the numerous occasions we simply top-up and re-boil a recently boiled kettle.
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Other than the reasons mentioned above, if you live in a hard-water area, it may also help to reduce the amount of limescale build-up.
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If it?s a plastic kettle and you?re worried about the water being tainted by chemicals from the plastic then buy a stainless steel one.
I always fill the kettle to the minimum level after I have used it, then when I come to use it next time the water is already at room temperature. Saves on time and electricity.
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It is a stainless steel kettle.
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I always fill the kettle to the minimum level after I have used it .......
For the best tasting tea, freshly drawn water is recommended.
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Maybe it is a hard water issue then? In soft water areas there aren?t any deposits within the kettle and I can?t imagine it would make any difference if the kettle were reboiled time and again.
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I?m not that much of a connoisseur of tea. In the desert we used to use chlorinated water that turned the tea white. Still drank it ;o)
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I always want my tea made properly with fresh boiling water and cannot stand the lukewarm water that has been reboiled and teabag approach of some places. I really can taste the difference .
If you are worried about limescale deposits etc it really cheap these days just to change the kettle rather than the water.
Tesco have a 1.7 litre fastboil kettle made in China for under a tenner ( I bought one yesterday ) and they did have a smaller one for under a fiver.
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It is a new kettle.
We have a £4.99 Tescos toaster, as per the kettles real VFM. Though that is not on show all day, in that regard the stainless kettle looks much better that the white plastic ones and only £25.
Re limescale, boiling the water removes lime and other minerals from the water and deposits them on the inside surfaces of the kettle therefore surely water that has been boiled twice or more is likely to be purer?
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Re limescale boiling the water removes lime and other minerals from the water and deposits them on the inside surfaces of the kettle
SNIPQUOTE!
I can't believe you want to drink stale water thats constantly been re boiled in a limescale container?
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Kettle - why change the water?
Which brand is it? I can't imagine it is Russel Hobbs because they would have a problem givng that advice with this one:
www.russellhobbs.co.uk/products/index.aspx?path=/p...e
The rrp is just under £50 but it is on offer in larger Tesco stores for £25.
Apparently most kettles fail due to scale deposits on the element. I have no idea why that is, but Tefal have a "vitesse diamond coated element" kettle supposed to minimise that problem.
I too am researching for a new kettle which explains being an anorak on this subject!
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We live in a hard water area and limescale used to be a problem with plastic kettles.
However I found, by accident, that if you throw away any remainng hot water in the kettle after use and refill with cold water, the limescale buildup becomes virtually non-existant.
As a result the need to descale the kettle is now very, very much less.
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if you throw away any remainng hot water in the kettle after use and refill with cold water the limescale buildup becomes virtually non-existant.
That is contrary to my expecations, because boiling the water removes lime and other minerals from the water I would have thoughts that water that has been boiled twice or more is likely to be purer, i.e. have less to deposit than fresh water. However perhaps that explains it. Thanks.
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Just a note to praise Russel Hobbs, or Salton Europe as they are.
I have one of their stainless steel kettles and dropped the lid on the tiled floor in the kitchen, breaking the plastic handle in the process. I sent an e.mail to Salton last week who replied immediately. Their parts department followed up with details and price - £2.28 including postage. It arrived this morning. Postage was £1.28, the part only £1.00.
Excellent service.
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I can't believe you want to drink stale water thats constantly been re boiled in a limescale container?
How do you define stale water, as long as it is H2O with a few minerals thaten it is fine, it not like it has mildew and algae growing etc.
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Could it be that the water takes up some of the Aluminium from the element every time it is boiled? We all know what Al does to the brain, perhaps if we cannot remember, it is because we not been changing the water?
Maybe letting the element become encrusted in limescale is a good thing!
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Whats wrong with simply putting the water in the (stainless steel) tea-pot and boiling it on the gas hob then chucking the tea in! - works just the same but tons cheaper! - but for perfect Sunday Afternoon tea you need a China pot, cup 'n' saucer
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Cheddar
I believe that when people refer to stale water they are talking about water that has had much of the dissolved oxygen removed by boiling. I think this is the reason why people who want to have clear ice cubes in their drinks boil the water before freezing it.
Pmh
Ah, that explains my excellent memory! My kettle doesn?t have an exposed aluminium element. The element is stuck on underneath the stainless steel base.
billy25
You philistine!
The next thing you?ll be suggesting is chucking a cup of water in the microwave with some instant tea granules :o)
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........ the Aluminium from the element
I don't recall ever seeing an aluminium element. They're more likely to be zinc plated brass ~ I think.
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Sloppy description! Most of the plastic kettles I have owned have what appears to be an aluminium 'cover plate' over the element.
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