its scrap so lever the door open on the front, it will be held with a nylon fastener.
do this outside obviously
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If you can tip it, the bottom will usually be an open hole and there will be a rubber drain pipe to the pump (which is at a low point) Either pull this off or stab it with a knife. Return the machine to an upright position and mind shoes...
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The oulet hose will be at the bottom of the machine (although it may not appear so). All you have to do is syphon it out, but of course you may need to either lift the machine, or move it near an outside door to gain height.
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There should not be a vast amount of water left in the sump.
There may well be a little drain pipe somewhere near the front for manual draining.
My AEG machine has a little panel with such a pipe behind it.
When you have got the machine outside you can just tip it forward onto its face and that should drain most of the water out.
Or slice though the pipe going from the sump to the pump.
I would just shut the door, tie up the normal drain hose and stop worrying about it.
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Is there not a drain/filter on it ?
btw miele are offering a ten year parts and labour warranty on washing machines this month.
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The pump should have a filter to be accessed by the user, the pump/filter is usually at the lowest point.
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we've just bought a new washing machine after our 16 year old Hoover gave up the ghost. I took the same view, that at 16 it just wasn't worth fixing. So, off we went to John Lewis and - have you seen the price of Miele washing machines!? One of them comes in at £1,300. I think the bottom of the range is about £600?
We went for a "cheap" Siemens, only cost 4 times as much as my first car.
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Cheers people. Opened the back up and found the pump and drain outlet, but there was no easy way to get at it, and no way to get anything under it, so it would only have piddled out on the floor anyway.
Anyway, in opening it I also found that there's practically no sump, so having drained it to the bottom of the drum, I'm satisfied.
BTW, bought the Indesit 'moon'. Good looking, relatively cheap and some good design ideas. 5 years parts and 2 years labour with John Lewis so I'm pretty happy with that.
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If it's a washer dryer (you don't mention it) but will offer some advice just in case.
We have an Indesit and it's been fine - cheap but fine. Washed some net curtains earleir this year and this killed the washer's electronics.
Basically, too much suds generated which came through a breather hole on top of the heating matrix. These suds then went down the back and onto the electrics and killed them. New circuit board via an approved engineer paying cash got it all working again. But we're careful now.
Who'd have thought there'd be a way for a washer/dryer to break itself. But Indesit knew there were problems and would let under warranty units be fixed without question or charge.... so the cat didn't get out of the bag no doubt.
Ironically the other type of item that causes a problem is washing trainers - our indesit has a special trainer/sport-shoe washing programme! Doh.
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"our 16 year old Hoover"
Which does suggest that 'ordinary' washing machines will last. We bought a new Ariston about 3 years ago (to replace a 12-year old Ariston - yes I know the badge means very little) and although relatively cheap, it performs dramatically better, which rather supports the idea of buying a new one for less money more often.
You're no worse off, and you will get the benefits of evolution. We have friends with a 20-year old AEG that refuses to die - it cost more then that ours did three years ago (i.e. several times as much in real terms) but its clunky, uses lots of water and doesn't spin very well. Durable, yes - good economics, no.
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>>miele are offering a ten year parts and labour warranty >>
Most Miele models have it as standard in any case..:-)
We have a Miele - you can drain the water off that's left (about a litre) by opening the small flap on the front bottom left of the machine; normally it should be drained off about once a week or so before replacing with a fresh litre of water via the detergent drawer.
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the next wash replaces the water. why drain it?
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Our washing machine gave up the ghost yesterday. It's getting on a bit, and we've been considering getting a more modern, energy efficient one for a while anyway, so I have no interest in fixing it.
the problem is that it has broken down while still somewhat full of water!
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It's a recommendation in the handbook to ensure that the drain filter is checked regularly for fluff or foreign objects, which will obviously need removing.
If the drain outlet is blocked, it is stated that up to 25 litres of water can/could be trapped in the machine. Adding fresh water afterwards through the detergent drawer "reactivates the ball valve which keeps detergents in circulation in the suds".
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Im sorry, but that appaling design. Anything that requires you to manually drain it and refill it once a week, is really stupid.
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Anything that requires you to manually drain it and refill it once a week, is really stupid.>>
The small amount of water has to be drained off for the simple reason that, if you unscrewed the filter out completely first, the water would just run out onto the kitchen floor from the drain plug.
In actual fact, because it's rare to find anything in the filter, I only do it about once a month as a precaution.
It's not "stupid" design, it's a simple common sense procedure. The amount of water you replace afterwards is about two pints at most.
In fact our Miele Novamatic is a superb appliance - it's built to last and prove reliable for 15-20 years or more, rather than the built-in obsolescence of other, much cheaper brands.
"Buy cheap, buy twice" is still very true...:-)
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Of course it is - its indefensible.
The fliter on my bosch has been taken out twice, and drained twice - in 10 years, I dont have to think about filling it up again afterwards either.
Its nothing like a common sense procedure. It is a rubbish design.
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I never thought I'd find myself discussing white goods but the best washing machines by far are from LG, which use a direct drive induction motor mounted on the back of the drum. They are completely silent when running, even flat out.
Long, long, long time since I've looked at a washing machine and been seriously impressed. It even makes nice chimes when you push the buttons.
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>>It is a rubbish design.>>
Your own words:
The pump should have a filter to be accessed by the user, the pump/filter is usually at the lowest point.>>
That is the case with the Miele; it has a eco water saving setting, but we use the "extra water" configuration. We don't, fortunately, suffer from water shortages in our neck of the woods.
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Yes but the user should not have to access it every week, and then fill it up again..
Its Ok Stuartli, you are allowed to admit mistakes, we all do it sometimes, pay over the odds and end up with a lemon.
Look at me! I ended up with a volkswagen.
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Yes but the user should not have to access it every week, and then fill it up again.>>
You don't; it's purely an assumption on your part. The manual says after the first three or four washes from new to check the filter. After that experience will dictate how often this might be required.
As I stated, quite clearly, I do it about once a month to be on the safe side. It's been very rare for anything to be trapped in the (large) filter element over the four years we've have it to date.
I haven't paid over the odds - I got exactly what I paid for. It was supplied by my best mate, who has an independent audio/visual/appliances outlet.
He's well aware of which models to buy and not to buy for long term reliability, with the emphasis on "long term".
As for VWs, as you are aware I'm a big fan. My current Bora is nealry eight years old. It has proved first class reliability wise, as did the previous two Jettas; in other words, excellent.
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Stuartli you quite clearly stated "normally it should be drained off about once a week or so before replacing with a fresh litre of water via the detergent drawer" Its in black and white, a few posts up on this page.
As I said mate, iTs really quite ok to admit its a pile of PFD, we all make mistakes. Its a bit like going to AA - the first step is to admit it you have a problem.
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No I haven't made a mistake, despite my first comment re the manual (which was done from memory); I explained afterwards that you have to drain a small amount of water off in order to check the filter for possible trapped items (it's screwed out fully at a slight angle after partially opening to allow drainage). I also added that I do it about once a month as a precaution.
Perhaps having a less bombastic view of something undertaken by someone else might be in order..:-)
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Perhaps Being able to see a wind up when its coming might help Stuartli!
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I'm too drained to even care - must be this very bad hangover...:-)
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Ah yes! About your taste in Wine and spirits........
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>>As I stated, quite clearly, I do it about once a month to be on the safe side.It's been very rare for anything to be trapped in the (large) filter element over the four years we've have it to date.
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Now you give us some more info which may help us understand the situation.
All the machines I have been involved with do not have a filter ELEMENT.
My current machine has a filter but is in effect a plastic basket that allows fluff to pass through but not objects like keys, biros, coins, sweet wrappers etc.
It stops any of the above getting to the impeller of the water extractor pump and so eliminates the risk of blade damage.
I would only inspect it if I had lost something or something was rattling in it.
However if your machine has a filter that can clog that is a different situation to what I suspect is the norm.
I am trying to visualise the population inspecting their filters. It just aint going to happen but machines survive for many years.
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