The motor industry spends billions worldwide trying to make their products cleaner and more efficient. Does anyone honestly think that if these gadgets worked they wouldn't be fiited by the manufacturers?
Perhaps you could pop down to the chip shop and ask Elvis what he thinks?
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"Increase in power and torgue coupled with an improvement in fuel economy" So up the power which drinks more fuel, up the torque which drinks more fuel and decease the fuel consumption.
That's primative thinking. It's all about how efficient an engine is at transferring fuel into usable motion without wasting the fuel on by-products such as heat. By increasing the efficiency of an engine it can have increased power, increased torque and decrease the fuel consumption. For example, common rail diesel verses the old indirect diesel.
Oh and by the way for the sceptics out there, the guy wasn't trying to sell me anything, it came up in conversation.
What I want to know is has anyone actually used one of these devices and has noticed the difference.
Sceptics please don't bother answering, we all know that when it comes to asking questions that involves money that there natural reaction is always negative. The smart players assess the action and play accordingly, that's what I am trying to establish here.
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Mike,
The 'smart players' don't get involved in a game of 'find the lady'.
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They have been warned off by the Advertising Standards Authority, they aren't fitted as standard by any car manufacturer that I know of, they can't or won't publish the results of any tests done by reputable authorities such as AA, RAC, Which or any car maker and if you Google for Central Reverse Polarity there is no scientific admission that the effect exists at all or any explanation of it - all you get is pages of links to Ecoflow products!
"Amongst their products are the full range of quack and crank magnetic devices including magnetic bracelets, pet collars, water softeners, wine conditioners, car fuel conditioners, gas pipe energy enhancers and (of course) mobile phone protectors. In a satisfying inversion of the nutri-pill-peddler turned EM-crank (see Patrick Holford and his QLink pendants), these EM cranks also sell vitamin food supplements to help the magnets work better. No, its true. Follow the link.
Ecoflow reassure us that their products work though their patented 'Central Reverse Polarity' technology, which is not available elsewhere"
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Yep i agree theres no scientific proof! but do you remember the old colour tunes? glass spark plug, all I can say is set one up & check the colour that the mix is running, set it to optimum blue ( on a carburetted car if you can find one ) fit a magnet & then look at the colour difference! I know what it will change too! so tell me then that they do nothing! they may not physically do anything but why does the mixture change?. I'm not saying they work but I'm asking why the change? & why did the principle work on Spitfires during 2nd world war for very low octane fuel.
Regards Doc
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"& why did the principle work on Spitfires during 2nd world war for very low octane fuel."
Are you suggesting the RAF discovered this, then everyone in the world forgot that it worked? Or is it all a conspiracy by the fuel companies and motor corporations?
V
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Vin, I'm not suggesting the RAF discovered this & I don't know who did but it is a fact that magnets were used in fuel lines to increase very low fuel octane & it didn't fizzel out after the war but fuel wasn't a priority!. Someone out there must have some answers or are too ashamed to have any connection because of the sceptics comments, what I say is you can't help those that are ignorant of knowledge.
Regards the Doc
Com'on Bell boy lets get this topic primed
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"but fuel wasn't a priority!"
On which planet? Everyone who runs a fleet would use magnets if they could save 0.5% on their fuel costs.
"what I say is you can't help those that are ignorant of knowledge"
That's it, the point where the argument ends is when you accuse everyone else of being ignorant.
Buy one and tell us how many more miles a gallon you are getting if you are convinced.
V
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Vin P
what I said is they do something! I didn't say more MPG all I said is that I am aware they do something! that shows up on lambda sensor reading etc & going back to the colour tune days the combustion changes colour! I'm not going to buy one because you don't get the benifits claimed but what I said is thorough testing of them is quite interesting
I run diesels so I wouldn't use one. theres also the argument that fuel goes through a stong magnet as it passes through the injector solonoid on an HDI so what does the magnetic field do to the fuel then!?
I have seen these things tested on dynomometers with transducers fitted in the combustion chambers to measure fuel burning which made interesting reading!
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I recall that the device used on Spitfires (A perforated cylinder of pellets put in the fuel tank) and called the Broquet is another product which has had to change or withdraw its advertising due an inability to prove any benefit. There was a suggestion that using it could prevent valve seat recession in engines needing leaded fuel but not using it after it was withdrawn. Re Ecoflow, I am suspicious of things sold by agents (pyramid set up). Why can't we buy them in Halfords or at our local Motor Factor
If any of these people would submit their device(s) to an independent test by a major and approved testing authority I'd be glad to read it and come off the fence!
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"full range of quack and crank magnetic devices including magnetic bracelets"
I've got one. After about 40 years of spasmodic back pain, sometimes so bad I couldn't walk for days, spending a fortune on chiropractors, physiotherapists, acupuncture - the lot - I was "conned" into buying a Bioflow magnetic bracelet for £50 on the promise that if I had any back pain within three months of wearing it I could have my money back. 3 (or is it 4?) years later I still wear it and have not had a twinge of back pain. People tell me it must be purely psychological - if it is I don't care as long as the back works painlessly. It may be snake oil but it's cheaper snake oil than £40 a monthly visit to physio - which didn't work.
Now, should I try it on my car?? Would it have the same psycological effect? Central heating is a bit creaky too!
I went to get a new strap for it recently - as I waited a bloke was just buying a "magnetic coat" for his horse having used bracelets on other horses - £400!!! Suppose he must think it works as well.
MT - why not try it? - money back after 3 months if it doesn't work (and report back!!)
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"Sceptics please don't bother answering"
So you don't want answers from anyone who doesn't support the product?
"and has noticed the difference"
So you have already decided there will be "a difference"?
"The smart players assess the action and play accordingly"
By ignoring the fact that the ASA and The US Federal Trade Commission have told these people to stop claiming there's any increase? How much evidence do you want to "assess the action"? Or am I just giving you a natural negative reaction because money is involved?
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"Sceptics please don't bother answering"
Cynical 'ole gits (like me) feel free!
"That's primative thinking. It's all about how efficient an engine is at transferring fuel into usable motion without wasting the fuel on by-products such as heat."
I thought any combustion engine was by definition a heat engine!
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If you want to know whether the magnet works why pay for one when you can make one,put a pair of magnets either side of fuel line, cable tie together and see what happens.
Then let us know the outcome.... IMO they dont work
But some say it does
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Steve
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These magnets wouldn't have the undefined Central Reverse Polarity, unique to Ecoflow in the world of science, so they could not work - allegedly!
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If these things worked surely the world's really large burners of liquid fuel would fit them to their aircraft. A 1% fuel saving on ??Million gallons a year for the cost of a magnet on each fuel line would be fantastic. Analysis here www.fuelsaving.info/magnets.htm
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so they could not work - allegedly!
Rubbish,any magnet supposedly will do the job,but as it has not been proved to work????
IMO I dont think anyone can answer this one.....
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Steveo. Not rubbish! Any magnet will work as a magnet but only Ecoflow magnets have the unique polarity effect. If the magnet 'aligns' the molecules for ideal combustion how do they stay aligned when past the magnet? SFAIK all molecules are in a high state of random vibration and movement and aligning them and then moving them on isn't going to do anything worthwhile.
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So they are 'magic magnets' only sold and available from ecoflow. That sounds so plausible I might go out and buy some right now!!!!
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Just think it through - a magnet, with no external source of energy (ie, not an electro-magnet), somehow imparts "instructions" to molecules which are travelling down a pipe, and they retain that instruction even when passing through a very high-pressure injection system. That instruction is still retained in the swirling cylinder through the inlet stroke, through the compression stroke, and then it causes the molecules to make a bigger bang than the bang for molecules without the instruction.
Impressive.
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"magnet, with no external source of energy (ie, not an electro-magnet), somehow imparts "instructions" to molecules which are travelling down a pipe"
Substitute electrons for molecules and wire for pipe and you have the principle that make electric motors work. That seemed like magic, too, in Faraday's time...
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>>Any magnet will work as a magnet but only Ecoflow magnets have the unique polarity effect
But these claims were made in the 60`s 70`s, so far as I can see, the claims are exactly the same just a different company in a different age trying to get people into buying something you could make yourself.
BUT wheres the proof they work????,every report I`ve seen says they dont work,I`ve even read some gadgets can cause engine to drink more than it should
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i bought one of these once. a few yrs ago..
it was brilliant....a fantastic product..... honestly...i even used the magnetic properties to get some keys out of a drain :-)
it did zilch for the effeciency/speed/torque/ but it looked good when i got the keys out of a drain for my mum !!!(needed a bit of string as well)
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sometimes a little bit too much opinion....but its only because i care !!!
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Thank you to everyone for contributing to this topic. Nice to have a diverse spread of opinions, it's good to be able share and hear one anothers thoughts. The additional web links were interesting reading as well, thank you for those.
Now what to do next, well as someone pointed out I could buy one of these devices and try it for 90 days and see how it performs, and if I'm not convinced it made any difference then I get a full refund. I have records on specific fuel economy and known routes as well as overall economy so it should be pretty easy to ascertain the fuel economy figures. The driving experience and feel will be an interesting one to assess as well.
Now the question is, where is the best place to fit this on a Focus 1.6TDCi ?
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Now the question is where is the best place to fit this on a Focus 1.6TDCi ?
Why not try sticking it on the fuel lines for 1K miles and then attaching it to the dashboard for the next 1k?
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>>where is the best place to fit this on a Focus 1.6TDCi ?
I gather due to the amount of time this is effective on the molecules(not long) it must be fitted just before fuel rail,exactly the same as previous magnets that have been on the market.
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Why not try sticking it on the fuel lines for 1K miles and then attaching it to the dashboard for the next 1k?
Like it. I wonder if fluffy dice will have the same effect, makes you think doesn't it.
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