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You have er..more than one set of plates. Works perfectly well in Belgium and Holland, so I believe.
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That's the system in Germany and it works well. With technology as sophisticated the police would be able to link straight to a database including a picture of the driver. In cases where the person stopped claims to be the owner they could ascertain if they were telling the truth instantly.
Also with the insurance and MOT details being displayed on the plates it makes them harder to copy not to mention useless to steal from another car.
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According to BBC News this Morning all of Britain's motorcycles will be "forced" to display new tech number plates.
and laws were most numerous when the commonwealth was most corrupt. Tacitus, Annals
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As always, they have created a problem, and now are selling us the solution which is what they wanted all along. 24/7 monitoring of vehicle movements, to help keep us free - from 'crime' and 'terrorism' etc... Sigh.
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and don't forget road pricing !
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Again, flag waving for drivers of older cars. Leaving aside the questions of taste putting a modern style plate on, some old cars have next to no option where the plate goes, and there is no such thing as a secure location, all you need is a spanner. Added to that with reference to transponders and power, some older cars are 6 volt and some even earlier ones have no electrics at all. Hot tube ignition and acetylene lamps. Even if that is surmounted, a check on quite of lot of parked ones won't work as a battery isolator is often fitted and used to ones that have batteries.
Apart from that, do they really think it would even fix the problem? With a camera, ANPR or any other type, all you can see is if the colour and type of car match the numberplate database. Unless you stop the car. So it really makes little odds if you pinch or clone a new new plate, or a current one.
Transponder technology while good, is not that good, and what's to stop them being nicked or cloned? Not as much as you might think, since all you'd have to do is dupe a car (innocently parked perhaps) that it had just been interrogated by a checker, record and duplicate the response.
Unfortunately I can't find the news story, but I remember reading about a big police exercise in London, stopping every car that threw up a question mark on the numberplate database, and or had a tax disc they could not check. They stopped a very large number of cars, and I believe, 'nicked' a quite worthwhile number of miscreants. I don't doubt they stopped a few where the tax disc could not be read, but a swift check from the mark 1 eyeball would have fixed that.
Undoubtedly numberplate and identities are a problem, but technology is rarely your saviour, and only enriches those with the contracts at the expense of the rest of us.
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.Also with the insurance and MOT details being displayed on the plates it makes them harder to copy not to mention useless to steal from another car.
How does that work then, if I steal the plates off a similar coloured car to my own and put them on I've cloned my car, would I get stopped? The police already have MOT, Tax and insurance listed on a database, why put them on a plate in this day and age?
Whatever they bring in, dodgy dave will be making a mint fabricating plates for his cronies as soon as the law is brought in. I had an illegal number plate made last Friday, its perfectly legable, spaced correctly, correct in everyway other than there's no makers postcode on it. I've got to go someones at the door wearing a pointy hat ;O(
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The stickers are hard to fake, just like a passport or paper money. A law enforcement official (or even some slimey traffic warden) could spot a fake a mile off. Giving another visual check.
There's no need to get anyone 'dodgy' to make you an authentic looking plate either in the current system. You just buy one overseas using the internet- doesn't everyone already know that?
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There's no need to get anyone 'dodgy' to make you an authentic looking plate either in the current system. You just buy one overseas using the internet- doesn't everyone already know that?
............ Didnt know scotland was overseas?
have i missed a large restucturing of the platonic plates of the earths crust? ;-o
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The stickers are hard to fake just like a passport or paper money. A law enforcement official (or even some slimey traffic warden) could spot a fake a mile off. Giving another visual check. There's no need to get anyone 'dodgy' to make you an authentic looking plate either in the current system. You just buy one overseas using the internet- doesn't everyone already know that?
Whats the point when the police have all the info on a database and cameras to pick out law breakers.
And who pays for these expensive, difficult to copy stickers?
I wonder how long I could drive a car without any plates at all with out being stopped?
I did'nt pay postage;O)
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As far as I know the cost of producing them is minimal............the system works well in Germany allowing even a law enforcement official without computer to make a visual check instantly.
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So the cost of copying them would be minimual too? If the mot and insurance were displayed then a cloned car would never be checked against the database as it would'nt arouse suspicion.
Its 2007 you know :O)
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Not copying them so that they'd pass inspection. The idea of having them visible is as an addition to database checks adding yet another layer of complication to being an illegal driver. It works in Germany, it would work here.
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It worked before ANPR and computerised databases, do we really need more paperwork to repeat what we already have and has already cost millions to put into place
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Classes will start at E Wing, Durham Prison, 14days after the announcement of the 'new style ' number plates to circumvent any system brought in.
Where there is a will there is away....
dvd
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Let's just go back to basics. Tell me why number plates are necessary at all? Pedestrians don't have numberplates, neither do cyclists, burglars, muggers, nor money-launderers.
The proposed system of car-tracking, whether for road pricing or tracking "terrorists", does not rely on numberplates.
What would happen if cars were completely unregistered, but paid their taxes entirely through fuel duty?
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So how would you identify a car involved in an incident be it a little hit and run through to some sort of homicide ?
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So how would you identify a car involved in an incident be it a little hit and run through to some sort of homicide ?
True. But any real criminals obviously use false plates or stolen vehicles. People involved in minor incidents not involving cars don't wear identifying marks - gang fights, shoplifters, etc, so I just wondered if car number plates were really worth all the resources devoted to registering, collecting tax, tracing, checking, transfering, etc.
You could abolish the whole lot and instead have thousands more police patrolling the streets and housing estates. on foot and wearing proper uniforms, locally based, plodding everywhere, knowing everybody, instilling respect, etc.
Unthinkable, I know - too much is vested in the current system.
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......Yankee Control to All Units
Robbery on High Street. Persons responsible making off in blue Ford Focus.....
Plod does a sweep Cliff and lifts all those driving a blue Ford Focus. Cells full, Police crime arrests up. All happy apart from poor burgers lifted...
dvd
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Following on from the other now locked thread, a battery drill will drill out rivets almost as quick as a screwdriver can undo a screw
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Just bought a replacement set off e bay 15 quid delivered next day, no questions..
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It makes me laugh. A few years ago the government 'clamped down' on the production of number plates to stop illegaly spaced numerals etc. Yet I see more illegal plates on the road than ever.
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get a set of Polish ( etc ) plates, no plod will bother you again.
Job done -sod the Government
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The only way we're going to combat this problem is by using technology sesnibly, rather than adopting the current approach that sees it as a panacea to all woes.
To this end it would take:
more old fasioned policing on our roads that can actually pull over motorists and check that they are who they say they are,
upholding the british standard of justice that is 'Innocent until proven guilty' forcing prosecuters to present evidence that cloning had not taken place,
concentraton of resorces to known offenders who seem unable to tax and insure their vehicles. These are probably the largest population of people that would eb interested in cloning plates to ensure that innocent motorists take the blame for their actions
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