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Edited by Dynamic Dave on 08/10/2009 at 22:34
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What does this code relate to. It is for exceeding the limit for a non googs/passenger vehicle. Is this for towing a trailer or a caravan or an agrilcultural vehicle. Regards Peter
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Is it the one for towing a trailer in the third lane of a motorway?
I got done for that many years ago just south of Bristol on the M5, all lanes doing 2- - 30 mph up hill, I was stuck behind a van pouring black smoke and pulled over to avoid the smokescreen. Was spotted from bridge and they pursued me and booked me for it!
I seem to recall it was SP20.
Amusingly when I took my documents into my local nick, the desk sergeant - whom I knew well as I was a local Police Surgeon - said "whose a naughty boy then? What have you been up to Doc?"
I told him "towing a trailer in the outside lane of a motorway" and he said "I didn't know that was illegal!"
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Google has the anser!
SP10 = Exceeding goods vehicle speed limits
SP20 = Exceeding speed limit for type of vehicle (excluding goods or passenger vehicles)
SP30 = Exceeding statutory speed limit on a public road
SP40 = Exceeding passenger vehicle speed limit
SP50 = Exceeding speed limit on a motorway
SP50 = Undefined speed limit offence
Hard work pays off in the future - Laziness pays off now!
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pulled over to avoid the smokescreen
I would have been tempted to argue that one in court. You are allowed to use the third lane to avoid an obstruction (not a simple overtake mind) or for reasons of safety.
The smoke screen was IMHO a safety hazzard
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Thanks TVM,
I guess it was more of a health hazard than safety hazard, I could see perfectly well, just didn't want to spend next mile or so crawling up hill inhaling diesel fumes! Very hot day, closing all windows and the ventilation not really an option - no aircon back then :-(
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ah well - stuffed then - next time perhaps
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TourVanMan TM < Ex RF >
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Seems to be commonplace these days to see trailers in lane 3. Got overtaken by a Nissan pick up towing a double axle trailer in lane 3 a few weeks back, I was doing 80 and he shot past me so guess was going 90-95.
That is by far and away the most extreme- but have seen at least one or two a week over the last few months.
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The reason for the question is due to a Biker getting an SP20, clearly in error but what would his insurance company make of it. Regards Peter
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If it's been issued to a bike in error it may well be null and void. I'm sure one of the legal experts will be along shortly.
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Browsing my copy of Auto Express, I came across an "exclusive" which (and I can't give a link - it isn't on the site) states that MPs have "devised a cost effective way of cutting legal limits on all roads at a stroke. Nia Griffiths MP for Llanelli wants speed limit signs to be read in KPH instead of MPH. "
The limit on M-ways would therefore be 70kph (43 mph).
This would "make roads safer " and "few people realise how much of an economy they can make by travelling more slowly but at present they are unable to without feeling they are holding up other road users". Lynne Featherstone - Lib Dem Hornsey backed this up- "a good idea " because it would be "very cheap to implement"
Who do these people represent?
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Phil
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That's got to be a windup.
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They will have to change the law re the display of distances first! There is a group of people who are great, who go around painting out any signs saying "Parking 200 metres" etc because they are illegal. When accosted they claim to be rectifying an illegal sign. Distances can only be legally displayed as feet/yards/miles as things are at the moment.
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"Distances can only be legally displayed as feet/yards/miles as things are at the moment."
Don't encourage them AS - the limit will be 70 yards per hour!
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Traffic in Cambridge was bad enough tonight to be nearer 70 hours per yard.
Lucky I was cycling for the first time in twenty years really!
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Probably from the same school of thought as one of our local councillors who thought that the solution to the graffitti problem which is making the local parks look untidy was to bulldoze ALL buildings in the parks so that the 'taggers' wouldn't have any surfaces to spray on. After all went the argument, the parks are public open space and all these buildings only clutter the parks up and if they were wide open spaces the public would like that more and be encouraged to use the parks more. Cue looks of astonishment from local ex-cricketer mayor and all the golf and bowls playing councillors, followed by much slow shaking of heads as they pondered the backlash from all the local sportsmen and ladies in the town who were about to have all their clubhouses demolished if this person had their way.
To keep it motoring related, these are the same people we elect to keep our road and transport system up to scratch, on second thoughts, perhaps it's not that surprising really.........
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Said MP probably never drives, as motorways have no speed limit signs apart from temporary restrictions.
My Octavia TDI needs to be above 55mph to sit comfortably in sixth gear. So me pootling along at 70km/h in fourth would be bad for the environment.
James
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Hot air from either end of an MP is bad for the environment too!
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>>as motorways have no speed limit signs>>
There are some motorways with 70mph speed limits signs and even 50mph on some stretches in certain cases in the UK ...:-)
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Presumably it won't be necessary to ban tractors, livestock and mopeds from the motorways once the KPH suggestion is implemented because the speed differential will be reduced.
Hawkeye
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tinyurl.com/y8mpqe
tinyurl.com/y7cxft {Both links to www.thisishull.co.uk shortened as was screwing up the page width - DD}
" Speed limits on every road in the East Riding are to be reviewed in a bid to cut the number of deaths in the region.
Trunk roads with 60mph limits are likely to be the first to be assessed to decide if they should be reduced to 50mph or 40mph.
And speed limits on roads in small villages could be cut from 30mph to 20mph."
Ker-ching.
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This solution would require a great deal of self restraint ...determination and sheer narrow mindedness! Motorists should strictly observe all speed limits to the nth degree. The authorities would lose money hand over fist and have to withdraw cameras and traps on financial grounds. I shall start a one man campaign now to drive at the speed required and bankrupt the council!.....anyone want to make it two?
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I've advocated this too - it would be very interesting to see what happened, as the Scamera Pratnership's business models are based on them catching at least a certain number of people to cover their costs.
I guess another way of looking at it is that it's just another form of tax - you can avoid having to pay it in various ways (one of which is to obey every speed limit) just like you can avoid tax on fags by not smoking. If other people are happy to make their contribution, then let them, they're saving you money that would have to be raised some other way.
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Have to admit I do this anyway, not through any political point, I just feel comfortable with it and find it no hardship to obey all the speed limits.
I can't be certain I don't break any unintentionally but I make best efforts, including speed camera database in the satnav as a reminder. It's very rare indeed my system says, for example, "no more than 60 please" and I find I actually am going faster than 60.
Just reduces the stress.
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Ive never understood the fuss surrounding cameras as they only catch you if you break the law, so why complain?
I for one dont go into a braking panic or crawl past a 30mph camera at a guilty 20mph because I have no problem sticking to the limit.
Infact, I would say the only sort of people who honestly cant deal with doing the limit are those who cant use their indicators either!
Its indeed very stressfree if you drive within the law because you dont have to worry everytime you see a police car or camera.
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But people do make honest mistakes - or is it only me?
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Try obeying the limit around here and you'll go through brake pads quicker, have every single car tailgate you and have to contend with dodgy cameras.
Other than that, you'll have a whale of a time.
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Stu it must be great to drive at legal speeds (no problem there; i try to) but to know how many illegal motorists the cameras catch really must make you happy?
This subject always comes back to the belief that cameras catch the real offending motorists.
They don't, but I do agree they catch enough speeders to be kept in place.
The worst offences imo are the uninsured, dangerous drivers etc who may tootle everywhere at 40; including through towns, except past that camera because they know its posititon!
bring back traffic police imo if you want better speeding prevention, insurance and mot compliance etc etc.
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An MP has suggested that the our current UK speed limits should be treated as being in km/hr rather than miles/hr, to save energy, reduce casualties, etc.
It is claimed that the cost of the switch would be negligible, because signs would not need to be changed.
Wizard wheeze or shooting the breeze, do you think?
Zebra
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Surely a late April's fool? If the maximum motorway 70 limit became 42mph that isn't even the ideal speed for economy.
As for residential 20mph limits, 12mph is just a joke. You'll be getting tailgated by even the slowest cyclists!! LOL!
Any links to prove this madness isn't just a joke? ;)
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Proposed by Nia Griffith, Llanelli (Lab), according to Teletext.
Zebra
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>>Proposed by Nia Griffith, Llanelli (Lab), according to Teletext.<<
tinyurl.com/ydlajx
Why am I not surprised?
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Do you think she's a big fan of Top Gear? ;)
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I cannot say clearly what I think of this MP in this forum because my words may come to the notice of a person of tender or puritanical sensibilities.
So let's say shooting the breeze, or shooting something anyway, shall we?
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Would not make much difference in cities especially London
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I think the MP has been somewhere very hot while on his 96 day recess, and the heat has driven him mad.
I'll make him a suggestion - leave the signs as they are, and calibrate the limits in metres per second...
For those without a calculator, 70 mph = 30 m/sec!
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So 70 metres a second = 155mph!!! That's handy for all those German cars with the speed limiters fitted! :)
You can put you foot right down and still be legal - I'll buy into that...
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The problem is that we have so many barmpots holding positions where they can freely express or inflict on us some of their often bizarre views or ideas and know that others of similar ilk will support them.
My local council, for a start, along with some of the senior officials, seem to be composed of many of them - hence a decision, for instance, to block one of the town's main through road routes and pedestrianise it.
The result, of course, was initial traffic chaos and eventually the gradual decline of motoring visitors, along with the gradual and continuing demise of the shopping centre that pedestrianisation was promoted to boost trade.
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Minimal cost eh? How does that work out?
Publicise the new rules
Reprint/extra pages for countless law books/police paperwork
Re-calibration of speed cameras
Motor manufacturers changing over to new speedo dials
And not to mention the traffic chaos on the motorway
I say lets go for it, got nothing better to do this Friday afternoon ;-)
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Please keep up!!
www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=45467&...e
;-)
Mind you, not made easy when a thread on suggested speed limit changes by the government is shifted to the "Speeding" thread.
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Thread now merged - DD
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No regular readers of this forum and/or this thread will be amazed to learn that out of 161 unmarked police cars caught speeding, just in SouthYorkshire, the police were unable to name the driver or the named driver was not prosecuted in 147 cases. 13 officers paid fixed penalties and 1 appreared in court. (Details from todays Daily Telegraph)
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