It goes like this.
Currently
BT own the telephone copper from your house to the exchange. When you go broadband your telephone line is connected to a bit of kit called a DSLAM (Owned by BT). bingo you now have telephone line and ADSL. However BT still own the copper from your house to exchange so your broadband supplier has to pay for the use of the line from house to exhange. This is your current situation. With AOL before and One Tell (now talk talk).
The only way Talk Talk can afford to offer the forever package is to take over the line from house to exchange, in effect they disconect you from BT completely and plug you into their own DSLAM they have installed in the exchange. This is local loop unbundling (your line from home to exchange is the local loop)
SO if forever have not installed a DSLAM in your exchange you wont get the package, Nor will you till they do. In addition they wont install a DSLAM where there is insufficient demand and there are some exchnages where there is no room for other peoples DSLAM's so in some areas you will *never* get the chance to use the forever package.
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Thanks! That is very clear even if it isn't what I wanted to hear!
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>>and they have been bought out by TalkTalk>>
TalkTalk took over One.Tel last year and I've just done the switch to TalkTalk's offer quite straightforwardly.
You should, eventually, be able to receive the "free" broadband offer from TalkTalk as it has been engaged on putting its own equipment into exchanges for some time.
The easist way to check is to go to www.talktalk.co.uk and use its checker to see what service you can receive.
If it comes up "Yes you can have free BB" or words to that effect you are OK, otherwise you may have to wait. You can also opt to pay £10 a month for BB on top of Talk3 International until you can have it free (still cheaper than One.Tel).
Even so it's still well worth taking up TalkTalk's Talk3 International offer with free BB as, for £20.99 a month, you get the line rental paid on your behalf to BT, AnyTime phone calls to local and 01 and 02 UK numbers, free AnyTime international calls to 28 countries including all of Europe, Australia, the States and Canada and (either now or later) free broadband up to 8MB.
Stupidly cheap and almost unbelievable value...
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That is very clear even if it isn't what I wanted to hear!
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to keep track of how talktalk is dealing with the demand for their loss leader (admitted by them on launch), read charles dunstone's blog (link is at the bottom right hand corner of the homepage www.talktalk.co.uk
in addition to info provided by stuartli and tvm, note that currently none of talktalk's customers is on a talktalk unbundled line. they are all using bt lines and bt equipment.
this is what talktalk say:
"This offer is available from today to all customers in all 1,000 exchange areas, covering nearly 70% of the UK population. If the local exchange has not yet been unbundled, the customer will initially be connected via BT?s wholesale IP Stream service, and then migrated at a later date at no extra cost to them. The first customers will go live from the beginning of July 2006. ....
.... we intend to deploy our exchange infrastructure as quickly as possible. Based on current forecasts, we expect to reach our initial target of 1,000 exchanges by May 2007. ..
Free broadband from TalkTalk is subject to the following conditions:
18 month contract
£29.99 connection fee, inclusive of VAT
40 gigabit monthly download limit
Prefix of 18418 required to make unlimited international calls. 28 countries are Australia, Austria, Belgium, Canada, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, New Zealand, Poland, Portugal, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, The Netherlands, and United States
Standard line rental of £11.00 and all calls package of £9.99, each inclusive of VAT
?Forever? means whilst you continue to take standard line rental of £11.00 and the all calls package of £9.99
A premium of £9.99 per month is payable for customers residing outside the footprint of the 1,000 exchanges to be unbundled .."
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oh yes, and by the way, if you want just their broadband without the phone package:
"The broadband product is available to be purchased separately at £35 per month."
yes, you read it right: £35 per month!
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The first customers will go live from the beginning of July 2006. ....>>
June 5th in my case...:-)
The TalkTalk3 International service switchover from (TalkTalk)One.Tel occurred on May 4th, so I'm already saving on phone calls - the One.Tel usage was for the no cost StandardTalk package i.e. free evening and weekend calls and cheaper daytime calls.
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>> The first customers will go live from the beginning of >> >> July 2006. ....
June 5th in my case...:-)
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proves just how most people, including computer-literates like yourself, have not understood what talktalk are saying. this is why i posted my notes above. but it is obvious to no avail.
no-one, not anyone, will be on talktalk's own unbundled service before july2006. talktalk have zero llu at the moment, and do not anticipate getting even a single exchange live until july 2006. all customers will initially be connected via bt (at a massive loss to talktalk), and then over the next year so from july2006 onwards, these customers will be gradually migrated over to talktalk's own network. until that happens, stuartli, even though you may think otherwise, you will still be on bt's network.
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>>have not understood what talktalk are saying.>>
The order tracking facility on the website states that June 5th is the date on which I will be connected to TalkTalk's higher speed service.
The URL link includes the acronym LLU (Local Loop Unbundling).
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>>40 gigabit monthly download limit>>
By the way, to clarify this sentence, it's actually 40GB.
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PS
These links might prove of interest re TalkTalk's admitted potential losses in some areas during the initial stages of its offer, along with LLU progress or otherwise:
www.adslguide.org.uk/newsarchive.asp?item=2634
tinyurl.com/zj8ja
Anyone interested in their local telephone exchange's facility can check it out at:
www.samknows.com/broadband/ (use Exchange or Phone Search)
Just one small point. My belief/anticipation is that on June 5th I will go onto ADSLMax - CPW's LLU progress is its worry, not mine...:-)
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Another interesting link (I'd forgotten about it) at the Martyn Lewis website:
tinyurl.com/zonrm
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My local exchange becomes unbundled in August
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