No not mine!
I've seen it discussed here but I never paid much attention and I can't find a thread on it.
My mate's just bought a brand new Golf Sport to be delivered on Friday. He's paid for the tax on top of the price of the car. They've offered him 4 grand for his 52 plate 1.6 Focus with no driver's door lock or radio which I thought was a decent price.
Question is - who does the tax belong to? I have a feeling that the dealer has included that in the value of the car and of course, ringing up and asking is sure to get the answer "price included the tax disc".
Can he take it out or does he need to leave it in? It's until September so worth taking if he can.
The speedier reply the better please gents,
Adam
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Surely they've set their own precedent here? If the new car doesn't include the tax, then neither does the old one. Keep the tax and cash it in.
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That's what I was thinking Gordon. Ordinarily, my morals would say, leave it in. But given they're making him pay for his own tax...
What about legally?
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All the cars I've ever part-ex'd, the garage has always informed me that the RFL is included in the trade in price and should remain in the car.
Only way to know for sure is to ask the garage to clarify.
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They're bound to say "Oh er...yeah - trade in price included the tax" aren't they?
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Just remove the tax disk and redeem it.
That's all the dealership will do...:-)
They don't give any allowance for it (unless specifically agreed) as it's one of the perks for the dealership. Most people only realise when it's too late...:-)
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It is most likely included in the appraisal of the car, certainly I had to enter how much tax a part-ex had on it when we got a value.
One of my customers removed their tax disc on the day of handover and refused to give it back (despite us actually having paid their tax), it soured the deal somewhat as we'd got on like a house on fire until that point and it just made it all feel a bit tainted, I could tell that the wifey was a bit embarassed, it was her husband who refused to hand it over, even trying to tell me it had expired until I pointed out that my appraisal showed it had another 6 months left.
I reckon they'll want it back, and personally I reckon it's really irrelevant whether they are asking him to pay for his tax on the new car, if they paid for it then that's like giving him a discount of over £100, it's all about the total cost to change at the end of the day, not how you show the figures.
Blue
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Thanks for that Blue and Stuart.
I've relayed your help to him and he's ringing them up I think.
Thanks again.
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Adam,
He's trading in the car, not the RFL.
Remove the disc and get the unused (full months only) balance refunded.
In all the cars I have traded, not once has the RFL been left on the trade-in and that was as expected by both parties each time.
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I would be keeping it and cashing it in - if when he gets there they say about it, remind them that it was not agreed it would be in the sale (I assume no discussion about it took place), and if they continue just start to walk away and tell them to keep the new car - I would be very surprised if they did not jump on him to save the sale. But he needs to walk away like he means it. I once had a similar problem when trading in a bike, they tried to give me a lower Pex value then agreed on a technicality, amazing how quick the deal was back on as I started to get on my old bike to ride away.
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Surely it all depends on the value of the car;if you're paying thousands,it is only a tiny part of the deal but when I sold a car for £175 with nearly six months tax on it and the purchaser tried to knock the price down;I said OK-£125 without the tax;he paid the £175!!
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I agree with TU, if no specific mention was made of the tax when they appraised the part-ex, then its yours. I work for a coach company who buy and sell a lot of used coaches, we never even bother asking now if a vehicle is taxed when its on a motor that a buyer is chopping in.
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I bet the dealer has included it although if he has he should have made it clear. i part exed last week, and the contract I was given laying out the part ex price etc stated that the valuation included any remaining tax at the time of the apraisal. If your friends paperwork does not specify this though he could always remove it and wait to see if they ask for it. I guess if he assumes that its included and he gets to keep it then its a bonus, if not nothing lost.
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I bet the dealer has included it although if he has he should have made it clear. i part exed last week, and the contract I was given laying out the part ex price etc stated that the valuation included any remaining tax at the time of the apraisal. If your friends paperwork does not specify this though he could always remove it and wait to see if they ask for it. I guess if he assumes that its included and he gets to keep it then its a bonus, if not nothing lost.
my monies with you
they should have given him a contract with things like spare wheel radio as mentioned (taken out)road tax etc.
you would be amazed what people want back when they come for their newer car and the deal is done
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I have always taken the attitude that a p/ex offer was for the car as it stood including remaining tax. If you expect to get your tax back where do you stop; spare wheel, wipers, bulbs?
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I have always removed the tax. As posted above, the tax on the replacement car is always additional therefore it is over and above the part ex price.
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No, they all come as part of the car when you buy it. Tax doesn't.
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There was another thread posted on here with exactly the same question that Adam asked. Damned if I can find it though.
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Whenever I have p/xed a car and the dealer is asking his questions I have *always* been asked if it has any tax - to which I reply "no" if more than a month remaining.
IMO, If the dealer didn't ask this question when the p/x was appraised then he can't assume he's going to get any remainder. Simple as that, whether he "noted it" or not.
However, if your friend did confirm verbally to the dealer that the car had x month's tax on it then it would be a bit naughty to remove it on handover day
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My friend's too much of a gent. He's going to ring and ask the dealer tomorrow.
Bet you any money "it included the tax sir".
Thanks for all the help and advice anyway - much appreciated.
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Just one final thought Adam.
I don't think I've ever yet bought a used car (and I've bought quite a few over the past 42 years since passing the test) that included either a current or new six or 12 month disk in the price.
I've always had to pay the tax on top of the purchase price. Most dealers have refused to even consider including it in the final price, as it's cheaper to offer other incentives which have a higher perceived retail value to a buyer.
As I said earlier, cashing in the remaining tax on a PX is a perk of the trade.
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The last time I P'exd, the dealer let me have the disc off the old car so I could claim the unused tax back. So I reckon your mate should keep the tax disc from the old one, as he is paying for it on the new one.
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I thought I updated this.
Anyway - my mate rang up and shockingly enough - the dealer said "No the price didn't include the tax. You can take it"
He won't last long. I can post the (VW!!) dealer's name up if you all want to go and take photos etc.
Thanks for all the help.
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