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Home Information Packs - daveyjp
Can anyone give me a convincing argument as to why these are a good idea and how they will speed up the buying process? As I see it you need to spend about £1,000 (inc VAT or ex VAT no one seems to be saying!) on a pack before putting a for sale board up, this could take weeks. You have a survey, which isn't really a survey as you don't need to be a surveyor to carry one out and purcharers can't rely on the survey as they haven't commissioned it and it's not a proper servey for mortgage purposes anyway, so a proper survey is required at some stage!

You then have loads of other info which could go out of date, so should the info be rechecked every few weeks? Who is responsible for rechecking, who pays etc etc. How will they stop gazumping, how will they stop people pulling out of sales before exchange? Please tell me I'm wrong but the whole thing seems to be an ill thought out and badly executed idea.
Home Information Packs - Altea Ego
In priniciple the home pack is a good idea. It seems daft that you can have 6 prospective purchasers all doing the same stuff at the same expense.

A good buys pack shoudl make a home easier to sell.


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Home Information Packs - Dalglish
in theory, it is a good idea.
it falls down because although it will be compulsory for the seller to produce, it will not be binding on the buyer to accept. infact, the mortgage lenders are saying they will ask for their own separate independent report anyway.

Home Information Packs - L'escargot
I think it's bonkers. If I was selling my house and paying for the information pack I would see myself as the surveyer's client and as such I would expect him to work solely in my interests, not in the interests of potential buyers. The last thing I would want is to be handing out reports highlighting, amongst other things, all the defects in my property. If potential buyers want to know what the defects are in a property they should employ a surveyer themselves. The Home Information Pack creates a situation of conflict of loyalties.
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Home Information Packs - charlesb
Sorry, I can't give you a convincing argument, only that it may cause the current house bubble to collapse - which would be a good thing in my opinion. Rather than introduce HIPS, the government should have legislated to tax people buying 2nd homes, who are making it almost impossible for First Time Buyers and owners to move onto or up the property ladder without taking on ridiculous amounts of debt. They should also start levying Capital Gains Tax, where it is quite evident that amateur property developers are buying/selling to make a profit, not to live in the property.

Arguments against HIPS:

1) Cost £1000 - more than double current costs to produce the same information

2) VAT will be added by HMCE - Yet another Stealth Tax by this government, require homeowners to shell out more money selling their home and then tax them on this additional cost.

3) It will be out of date within 3 months, requiring additional costs to bring it uptodate (again, probably taxable)


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Home Information Packs - L'escargot
Sorry, I can't give you a convincing argument, only that it
may cause the current house bubble to collapse - which would
be a good thing in my opinion.


As someone who is currently wanting to move house, the last thing I want is for there to be a reduction in the number of properties on the market restricting my choice.
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Home Information Packs - Dulwich Estate
IMHO it's all a big controlling plot.

First, DVLA now has records of car ownership, MOT and Insurance information. After the introduction of ID cards HM Government will know a lot, lot more about us.

Cameras reading our car number plates already track us around the country. CCTV with face recognition sytems follow us on foot.

After a decade or so of use of HIPs they will know near enough everything there is to know about where and how we live.

Then they will insist on a type of supermarket "loyalty" card being compulsory for every purchase.

Read the wrong newspaper and you're marked. Buy too much booze / fags and get rejected from the NHS for treatment, own a house beyond your level of income and IR will investigate.

When it's all joined up - Nothing will ever be private anymore except what's in your mind - a bit of "thought crime" anyone?
Home Information Packs - Altea Ego
Sometimes people on this site are so morbid about the future I wonder If I should slash my wrists now or wait till later.
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Home Information Packs - Baskerville
No good slashing your wrists any more. The nanobots that are almost certainly in your bloodstream by now will call an ambulance and save you so you can watch the doom of civilization as it happens.
Home Information Packs - charlesb
On the contrary, a collapse in prices would be caused by an excess of properties on the market and few buyers...

That I would look forward too, so that I too can move house!

My feeling is that the most important thing is to own your home at a reasonable cost. 40 years ago, you could buy your own house on one salary (whilst the wife stayed at home and looked after the family.). these days, both partners have to work to even afford a half decent house.
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Home Information Packs - greenhey
Advantages

Speeds up the sale as the pack can be produced as the house goes on the market , not building in delays later as people have to do all the checking out once they decide to bid.

Should mean only one necessary per house; otherwise in the course of a sale several potential buyers could repeat the process
Home Information Packs - L'escargot
Advantages
Speeds up the sale as the pack can be produced as
the house goes on the market , not building in delays
later as people have to do all the checking out once
they decide to bid.


(1) As a buyer I wouldn't trust a survey that had been commisioned by the seller, so I would still want my own survey carried out. And I wouldn't arrange a survey of my own until my offer had been accepted, so no time would be saved. My offer would always be "subject to survey, subject to mortgage and subject to contract".

(2) As a seller (as I've said before) I object to having to freely declare all the faults in my property by way of the HIP that I had would have to pay for. I want to present my property in the best light possible, without having to bribe the HIP surveyor to write a favourable report. Caveat emptor is my maxim. When you sell a car you don't point out all the defects to the prospective purchaser.

The scheme is bonkers.

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Home Information Packs - Dulwich Estate
I remember something about the HIPs being trialled in parts of Bristol(???)(not sure) a year or two ago to test out the system before going nationwide.

By all accounts it failed dismally - but nobody listened.
Home Information Packs - The Lawman
You won't find many solicitors who support the idea. This is not because it will cut into our fees (it won't) but because it is badly thought through, and more about presentation than practicality.
Home Information Packs - mare
It sounds a good idea to me.

As i'm a member of the RICS, i've been able to see some of the discussion on their forum. There is a split between members over this issue between those who are hugely annoyed about having spent years doing home surveys and then having to spend to several thousands of pounds to become Home Inspectors, and those who are resigned to it and getting on with it.

From my point of view, as a vendor of new homes, it sounds ok because it'll be cheap to produce (one report x 24, just change the number) and there ought to be no issues. Even selling my house, the theory is fine because if you identify the problems, you can get thme sorted before you go to market, rather than accept offers and have people pull out.

Time will tell. Interestingly, in the latest RICS house price guide report thingy, no one is expecting a blip due to the introduction of the HIP. There is anecdotal evidence of some people rushing to beat them though.
Home Information Packs - artful dodger {P}
As a buyer I wouldn't trust a survey that had
been commisioned by the seller, so I would still want my
own survey carried out. And I wouldn't arrange a survey of
my own until my offer had been accepted, so no time
would be saved. My offer would always be "subject to survey,
subject to mortgage and subject to contract".

When I moved home nearly 5 years ago, I was very unimpressed with the content of the Home Buyers Survey. There were so many exclusions due to not testing things like the plumbing system, central heating, electrical system, the drains. To be quite honest it was hardly worth the paper it was written on.

Someone once explained the different surveys like this:
Valuation - drive to house, do not get out of car.
Home Buyer - drive to house, get out of car, cursory look round inside and outside of property.
Full Survey - drive to house, get out of car, look round inside and outside of property, look in loft and make a few notes about property condition.
All the surveys still come with long list of exclusions and specialist testers should be separately employed to satisfy buyer that every part of the property is to the correct standard.

If the information in the HIP provided any genuinely useful information then great, but I feel this will not be the case.


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I read frequently, but only post when I have something useful to say.
Home Information Packs - defender
an added question to this would be ,would a home information pack be needed if you agreed a private sale with a buyer I ask as we may to sell a house and think we may have a buyer .tia
Members with {P} - bobda
Why do some members on here have {P} after their names?

Puzzled me for a while, that.
Members with {P} - Adam {P}
It indicates they have a profile.
Members with {P} - BazzaBear {P}
People add it to their name manually to indicate that they have a viewable profile.
Members with {P} - Dalglish
as others have said, it is a voluntary addition to your name which is meant to indicate that you have made your profile visible to other backroomers to view.
the absence of it does not mean the opposite, because your profile can be made viewable without any compulsion to add the indicator after your name.

Members with {P} - Stuartli
It's yet another stealth tax.
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Members with {P} - Adam {P}
I'm pretty sure it's just an innocent {P} ;-)
Running cost of oil-fired heating - L'escargot
I'm considering buying a property that has oil-fired central heating with water radiators ~ provided I can complete the transaction before the introduction of the execrable Home Information Packs!

How does the running cost (just taking into account the fuel) of an oil-fired boiler compare with that of a gas-fired boiler? Just an ordinary boiler, not a combi or a condensing boiler.
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Running cost of oil-fired heating - Citroënian {P}
Be sure to check under the radiator cap for mayonnaise - you don't want the oil & water mixing.

(Sorry, couldn't resist)


Lee -- You don\'t sell the steak, you sell the sizzle
Running cost of oil-fired heating - Altea Ego
Ask how many litres they use in a typical year.

Also get the tank surveyed (unless it looks new) they have a limited lifspan and work out expensive to change.
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Running cost of oil-fired heating - L'escargot
Ask how many litres they use in a typical year.
Also get the tank surveyed (unless it looks new) they have
a limited lifspan and work out expensive to change.


Thanks TVM. Sounds like two very good points. The tank is a flat sided steel tank, painted externally, and since the property is 30 years old it's probably a fair assumption that the tank is 30 years old too. I'll measure it up and find out how much it would be for a new plastic tank of similar capacity.
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Running cost of oil-fired heating - geoff1248
Last year we moved from a gas fired house to an oil fired one of very similar size. I reckon that oil has cost us around 5% more than gas. However, gas prices have risen quite a bit over the last year but I don't know if they have risen higher than oil. A few bits of advice 1. shop around everytime your oil tank needs topping up prices vary quite a bit between suppliers. Similarly some suppliers give a quantity discount. You get no discount for loyalty.2. have your boiler serviced every year and the injector replaced every two years. Just remember that global warming is coming so you won't be using much fuel in the future.
Running cost of oil-fired heating - L'escargot
Just remember that global warming is coming so
you won't be using much fuel in the future.


So global warming isn't all bad then? ;-)
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Running cost of oil-fired heating - Mapmaker
>>global warming

Firstly the most recent data shows a trend of global cooling.

Secondly, the main effect of global warming is to switch off the North Atlantic Drift (often known as the Gulf Stream). This can happen in a period of ten years - as has been shown from cores. Once that turns off, we cease to be influenced by warm water coming from the equator and instead suffer polar waters. An ice cap will rapidly head south towards London.


I have no evidence to back up this assertion, but I believe tha gas is cheaper than oil, and likely to be so for some time yet. If it's a proper boiler, see if it will convert to coal, which is apparently the smart choice for the next few years. An archimedes screw will deliver the coal to the boiler, so you need not spend your life stoking the boiler.
Running cost of oil-fired heating - Peter D
If it where a modern oil boiler then they can run quite cleanly and efficiantly no so the older ones. Maintenance is higher on an oil boiler as they go need claning and oil filters changed and the like. But oil prices are climbing as well so it is very difficult to compair. Are you moving to a house with no mains Gas. ?? Regards Peter
Running cost of oil-fired heating - Stuartli
At my age I'm all for global warming, especially in winter...:-)
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Running cost of oil-fired heating - Pugugly {P}
PU Towers' tank gets filled twice a year. 1000 litres generally. SWMBO can work it out to the penny. We like being warm and we like baths not showers.
Running cost of oil-fired heating - L'escargot
Are you
moving to a house with no mains Gas. ??


I'm not even sure the county (Lincolnshire) has gas, let alone the particular property!
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Running cost of oil-fired heating - Nsar
It's 9 years since we moved to a house with oil and no gas so I can offer no cost comparisons, only the heartfelt advice to ring round every time you want oil, the price differs from merchant to merchant at different times. We have generally found the smaller guys to be more competitive than the national brands, but they are being merged into bigger companies all the time.
Running cost of oil-fired heating - Cardew
At 35p a ltr oil CH costs approx 50% more than gas to run.

You might consider using Economy 7 electricity for your Immersion heater all year and simply switch off the boiler in the summer months when you don't use heating. If you shop around there are some very good tariffs for Economy 7.
Mobile Contract Cashback (Again!) - Adam {P}
Oh learned, wise people of the BR - I need your help again.

Through a mate of a mate (already you're thinking "dodgy!" who works for a mobile company (not provider) has been able to get me a deal on a certain phone. A very good deal.

The only thing is, it involves something called cashback. Orange, for example woudl take 50 quid out of my account each month, and my mate's mate's company would give me back, via direct debit, 20 quid effectively making the cost to me 30 quid a month.

Does this sound ridiculously convoluted? If it's not dodgy or unheard of then I'd go for it because the phone and contract would be very, very good.

Your advice and help please,

Adam
Mobile Contract Cashback (Again!) - adverse camber
Sounds just like the company that accepted my order for a phone that was then new and in high demand in October before last. The deal was going to see the total cost over the year being £10 after cashback. Still hasn't been delivered, although to be fair they havent charged me yet either. I gave up chasing them after 2 months. cant remember the name but they were owned by carphone warehouse and had websites something like getorange / getthree / get...

they depend on people not claiming properly. Read the terms and requirements for the cahsback VERY VERY carefully.
Mobile Contract Cashback (Again!) - blue_haddock
I would check the method used for the cash back as usually it involves you sending in your bill and a voucher at certain intervals (often 3rd, 6th, 9th and 12th bill) and they then send you a cheque back. You have a very tight timeframe to send these in and if you miss the deadline or they do not receive it you don't get your money back.

It would be highly unusual for a company to do it on a monthly direct debit back to you as they make they're money when people forget to claim the money back.
Mobile Contract Cashback (Again!) - Adam {P}
Hmmm - I know it sounds funny. The only thing keeping me interested in the idea is that I know where the bloke works and have met him so I could...ahem...pay him a visit if anything went wrong.


The direct debit thing struck me as unusual too but he swears blind that's how it happens.

Mobile Contract Cashback (Again!) - Civic8
>>The only thing is, it involves something called cashback. Orange, for example woudl take 50 quid out of my account each month, and my mate's mate's company would give me back, via direct debit, 20 quid effectively making the cost to me 30 quid a month.

My co,pays directly to service provider of which I have not had a problem,so when cash back time arrives the SP bill is reduced by the cash back,giving me a smaller bill.

works fine for me

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Steve
Mobile Contract Cashback (Again!) - Welliesorter
See my reply to your earlier question on mobile contracts and take a look at the Moneysavingexpert.com forums for tales of cashback woe.

Of course, people with no problem wouldn't bother to post.

There's nothing dodgy about it in principle, and some very big companies, including more than one Carphone Warehouse subsidiary, offer these schemes. The network gives the retailer a big wodge of commission for introducing you as a customer, and the cashback comes out of this.

The retailer can afford to do give what look like very generous deals because it knows that some buyers will either not bother to claim, or (as others have warned) will fail to follow the terms and conditions to the letter. To be fair, the retailer doesn't get its own cut from the network in certain circumstances, for example, if you change to a cheaper contract part of the way through the year.

Whether you should go for one of these deals depends on whether you trust the retailer to be honest (and solvent) enough to honour it, and whether you trust yourself to get round to putting in your claim. It's rare for it not to be necessary to claim the money yourself.

If the retailer turns out to be dodgy, you don't have any claim against the network as your contract with them is to pay the full monthly rental. When retailers have gone bust in the past, some networks have been generous in allowing customers to cancel their contracts early, but this is the exception, not the rule.

I'd ask yourself if you can afford the monthly payments if the cashback fails to materalise. I'm not sure that I'd risk taking out one of these deals with a company that isn't a household name.
Mobile Contract Cashback (Again!) - Adam {P}
You're right Wellisorter which is why I've stuck with T-Mobile who, after some pushing, have given me the Sony Ericsson W810. I should be getting it in the post tomorrow but I'm still slightly dubious.

It makes things very easy as I don't have to do anything at all apart from, I assume, swap the SIM cards over but the proof of the pudding and all that...

Thanks very much for everyone's advice and help. I'll make a little post tomorrow if all goes well and the phone turns up.

Thanks again,

Adam
Mobile Contract Cashback (Again!) - Welliesorter
after some pushing, have given me the Sony Ericsson W810.


Would be interested to know if it's any good. I'm more interested in the camera than the music player.
Gift Aid - mare
The other day i visited the Helicopter museum in Weston super Mare. By giving them my address and declaring that i am a uk tax payer, they can claim 28% back in tax relief. So far so good, and nothing new there.

My son's special school is organising a ball in june and selling tickets at £40 each: the ball is being organised by the Friends body, which is a registered charity. Would they be able to claim tax relief (providing purchasers of tickets provided their address and declaration as above)? Or do tickets for a ball count as a service?

I've had a look on HMRC website, and it seems that it has to be a donation. Are HMRC likely to accept that someone would "donate" £80 and get two tickets to the ball in return?

All responses welcome, potentially it's a extra £2000 for the school.

Thanks
Gift Aid - adverse camber
either ask hmrc or post the question on accountingweb any questions to get guidance as to what the rules are.
Gift Aid - mare
A good dig around on hmrc's website gives:

'3.8.4 Subject to the benefits rules outlined below in Section D, outright payments to a charity in return for services, rights or goods are not gifts to charity and so are not eligible for Gift Aid tax relief. For example, the following cannot come within the Gift Aid scheme:

Payment

for admission to events (jumble sales, concerts etc)

So, no then. Never mind
Gift Aid - adverse camber
there may be ways.

as an example sell raffle tickets, the prizes for which are entry to the ball. Is there a rule about how many tickets can fail ?

I remember doing this to get around licencing rules (red ticket or white ticket ?) for a small do.

payment for membership (1 weeks membership, members get free entry? )
Gift Aid - Mapmaker
There is no way of getting round that. My mother helps organise a string of concerts for a major charity (venue, performers etc. all donated). They cleared it with head office's lawyers that it was all donation so could be gift aided.

With a Ball you're into much more difficult territory as there is a clear benefit received from the tickets.

With a raffle you're beyond the grey area, and into clear black and white. You are getting a raffle ticket for your money so you CANNOT gift aid it.

If you trust your ballgoers, perhaps you can sell the tickets for £10 to cover food & room hire. Suggest they might make a donation at the same time as buying the tickets.


So far as selling red & white raffle tickets goes, it does not work to avoid the licensing laws. Selling a red raffle ticket is as good as selling a red glass of wine. The advice given to me by a former Mayor of Cambridge was 'just break the law, they're not interested in prosecuting small fund-raising one-off events'. Somebody else once pointed out that if you do apply for an occasional permission (or whatever they're now called) you might end up with the police sitting outside the gate at the end, pulling people over to blow into this bag please sir. Please no debate on the ethics of drink driving here.
Gift Aid - Stuartli
It would be very surprising if at least one of the parents of the children at the school was not connected with accountancy.

Perhaps the school staff may be aware of someone who may be able to answer the query?
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Gift Aid - hxj
The following comes from the HMRC guidance at

www.hmrc.gov.uk/charities/guidance-notes

in section F. Simply put the examples show that you have a problem. Incidentally I cannot see how attendance at a concert is also not a benefit and whilst I congratulate the charity discussed above I do not think that you can rely on that position.


3.52 Charity Events
3.52.1 Charities often hold events (dinners, concerts, firework displays, etc.) to raise funds and ask whether all or part of the payment to attend the event can be Gift Aided.

3.52.2 To be eligible for the Gift Aid scheme a payment must be a freewill gift to charity, that is, there must be no compulsion about making the payment. So the payment must be a wholly voluntary payment and not linked to attendance at the event.

3.52.3 A payment to purchase a ticket (or an admission charge) to attend a charity event is not a gift to charity but the purchase of a right to attend the event. Without buying a ticket you cannot attend the event, so there is no freewill in making a payment - that is, you must pay the ticket price to attend the event. Such payments are not eligible for Gift Aid.

3.52.4 In the same way a payment described as 'minimum donation' or a 'donation' to attend an event is not a freewill payment. Again, you must make the payment to attend the event. The 'minimum donation' or 'specified donation' is, in fact, an admission charge.

3.52.5 The following payments to attend an event are not gifts to charity:

Payment to purchase a ticket.
Payment to gain admission.
A required minimum donation.
A required specified donation.
All of the payments described must be paid in order to attend the event and so are not freewill gifts to charity. Such payments are not eligible for the Gift Aid scheme.

Ticket price plus a suggested donation
3.52.6 A charity can charge what it likes for a ticket to attend its event. However, it should not put the charity's funds at risk and, therefore, should set the ticket price at a level to at least recover its costs.

3.52.7 A charity can, therefore, charge a set ticket price (not Gift Aidable) and, in addition, request a donation that can be Gift Aided. However, any suggested donation:

Must not be compulsory such that it has to be paid, in addition to the set ticket price, to attend the event. That is, the payer must be able to pay only the ticket price to attend the event; and
The payer must be aware of that at the time he makes the suggested donation (the ticket and/or event literature must make it clear).
3.52.8 As explained earlier, a payment described as a 'minimum donation' or a 'specified donation' that has to be paid in addition to the set ticket price is not a freewill gift and cannot be Gift Aided. In these circumstances, the set ticket price plus the minimum donation or the specified donation is the actual ticket price and no part of the payment made (ticket price plus minimum/specified donation) can be Gift Aided.

Examples
A charity organises a dinner dance and incurs the following costs:

Hire of venue = £1,000
Catering costs = £3,000
Orchestra/singer = £2,000
Total costs = £6,000

The proposed number of attendees is 100 and the charity wants to make (say) £4,000 on the event.

The cost per attendee is £60 (£6,000 / 100) and so the charity is looking at a set ticket price at £100.

Example 1
The charity charges £100 for each ticket.

There is no gift to charity, all the proceeds (£10,000) are from ticket sales and none qualify as Gift Aid payments.

Note: Sometimes a charity seeks to claim Gift Aid on the £4,000 (£40 per person) on the basis that the amount over and above the costs is a donation. However, the £4,000 (proceeds £10,000 less costs £6,000) is a profit and not a donation.

Example 2
The charity charges £65 per ticket and also asks for a minimum donation of £35.

To attend the dinner an attendee must pay £100 (£65 + the minimum donation of £35). You cannot attend by only paying £65.

There is no gift, the whole of the £100 is a compulsory payment to attend the dinner and no part of it is eligible for the Gift Aid scheme. Any voluntary donations over and above the compulsory £35 will be eligible for Gift Aid.

Example 3
The charity charges £80 per ticket and, in addition, asks for a suggested donation of £20. The charity makes it clear on the back of the ticket that the £20 is only a suggested donation and that attendance at the dinner can be obtained by only paying the set ticket price of £80.

The £80 paid for the ticket cannot be Gift Aided.

However, as the charity made it clear that a payment to attend the dinner was only £80 (the set cost of a ticket) then any payment made in excess of the £80 can be Gift Aided. So the suggested £20 donation or any other donation in excess of the £80 paid for a ticket can be Gift Aided.

Example 4
The charity charges £100 for each ticket. However, a benefactor pays the full cost (£6000) to the charity so that it can pay for the dinner.

For Gift Aid purposes, the situation is exactly the same as for Example 1.

Who meets or how the costs are met is not important when determining whether a payment to attend the dinner is a gift. The charge to attend the event remains at £100 even though the charity's cost are met by the benefactor. So none of the £100 payment can be Gift Aided.

Note: The benefactor has made a gift to the charity of £6,000 and so he can Gift Aid his £6,000 gift provided all the requirements of the Gift Aid scheme are satisfied. Any free tickets (£100 each) given to the benefactor are benefits for the purposes of the Gift Aid benefit limit (£150 for a £6000 donation) - so 1 free ticket valued at £100 is within the Gift Aid benefit limit.

Example 5
The charity charges £100 for each ticket. However, the venue/orchestra/caterer all waive their charges and so it costs the charity nothing to put on the dinner dance.

None of the £100 paid can be Gift Aided as it is a payment to purchase a ticket to attend the dinner.

Unlike example 4, the venue/orchestra/caterer cannot Gift Aid their contributions because they have not made any payments to charity but simply waived their fees.

Example 6
The charity decides that it will not make any charge to attend the event and will rely on expected donations to more than cover costs.

Charity trustees are obliged to take proper care of charity funds and not expose them to undue risk. Any trustees considering this kind of approach would have to be able to demonstrate that they had made a properly informed and considered decision that a better return on funds laid out could be achieved by not charging for tickets. Failure to do this could result in the costs being treated as non-charitable expenditure and the trustees being personally liable for any loss of funds. Professional advice should be taken before embarking upon such a course. Donations received in such circumstances would be eligible for Gift Aid.

Gift Aid - Mapmaker
Sorry if I didn't make that clear, hxj. They clearly fall under your example 6 as the ticket price is nil and they entirely rely on donations. Interestingly, making a 'suggested minimum donation' means they take more cash than when they charged a going rate.
coloured boiled eggs - adverse camber
OK this is a bit late.

I remember when little being given boiled eggs that were plain on the outside but when peeled were coloured on the inside. I tried last week boiling the eggs in water with food colouring but it didnt work.

Anyone know how this was done?

thanks

Mark
coloured boiled eggs - Altea Ego
they were off and past sell by date.
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Cast iron down pipe removal - henry k
I need to replace some cast iron down pipes that are fed from the gutters.
What options are there to remove them with minimum damage to the brickwork?

They are the original pipes so they have been in situ about 70 years. They are attached by large round headed nails through collars. These nails I guess are into wooden plugs.
I am aware the pipes are not light but there is nothing below them except possibly me.
Cast iron down pipe removal - Nsar
If you get no joy here try posting at Period Property.co.uk. You'll get a dozen replies threatening to fire bomb your house if you replace them with plastic but someone will generally post something sensible eventually.
Cast iron down pipe removal - Altea Ego
I did something similar with a large cast iron sewer/vent pipe.

Firstly I tried to break it up in situ with a sledge hammer. No joy and I went deaf. Then I decided I would lower it down. So I tied some rope to the top of it, fixed to some strong hooks screwed into the facia board. I would then crowbar out the steel nail things and lower it down from the ground via the rope/hook device.

I crowbared out all the nails. minmal damage to pointing. I then got down the ladder and untied my rope and started to lower the pipe down sideways.

When it was halfway down, it then proceeded to rip the facia board off the house. I let go of the rope and burnt my hands but still didnt save the facia board. The pipe hit the ground at 40mph followed by 25 feet of facia board and the pink fluffy door handles still didnt break up.


I have an angle grinder now, and boyant with experience and age I would cut it up in sections with that.

If your nail things are in the mortar joints they can be pulled out and pointed afterwards. If its fixed in the brick cut them flush with the angle grinder.

Angle Grinder - hint hint
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Cast iron down pipe removal - adverse camber
If you do go the angle grinder route - make sure that the sparks are not going to hit anything you value. If they fall on a car for example the tiny hot fragments of cast iron sink through the laquer and then rust leaving an attractive brown speckled pattern over the car. It wont be obvious for a week or so whats happened and its then a real pain to sort out. I know because the prat of a builder did this next door and sprayed one of our cars - couldnt prove it was him though. Just know that the gutter came down while I was out and the car was parked. Couple of days later noticed the fragments inthe paintwork.

why do you need to remove it ? If you can get it down in reasonably intact you can sell it to someone on ppuk - there are regular requests for cast iron guttering suppliers.
Cast iron down pipe removal - henry k
Mark
Re using a grinder.
I too have experienced the delayed effect of grinder dust on my car and marking my patio.

The pipes are at the rear where the patio is so I do not want it stained.
At least two sections have the collar /lugs are split hence I am replacing them rather than try an epoxy repair again.
I surmise that in this state they have little value.

I also want to move the pipes from their current positions.
I am leaving the guttering alone at this stage.

TVM
Some nails are in rendering (Brick or pointing?) others in brick.
I will try the crowbar approach.

I recently listened, with a smile on my face to "builders" playing tunes for quite a while on my neighbours soil pipe. They eventually resorted to a grinder

I had to grind off a soil socket in soil socket almost flush with the wall in our small toilet. I was surprised how heavy that lump was. I think I will avoid replacing the soil pipe.
Cast iron down pipe removal - L'escargot
Firstly I tried to break it up in situ with a
sledge hammer. No joy and I went deaf. Then I decided
I would lower it down. ....etc etc



You're not aka Gerard Hoffnung by any chance? ;-)

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L'escargot.
Cast iron down pipe removal - cheddar
You're not aka Gerard Hoffnung by any chance? ;-)


Frank Spencer?
Removal Costs - Round The Bend
We're moving from Norfolk to Devon later in the year. I'm just wondering how much I should budget for removal expenses. We have a 4/5 bedroomed house with the usual clutter that comes with 3 children and a hamster.
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Removal Costs - Mapmaker
www.yell.com search for "Removals & Storage - Domestic" both in Norfolk & Devon. You may find it's considerably cheaper at one end than at the other. Or in the middle. Try Swindon.
Removal Costs - nick
www.yell.com search for "Removals & Storage - Domestic" both in Norfolk
& Devon. You may find it's considerably cheaper at one
end than at the other. Or in the middle.
Try Swindon.

That's a good point. I once moved from Newbury to Wisbech, Cambs and it was far cheaper to get a removal firm from Peterborough than a Thames Valley one. Just get a quote from a big local firm who will visit your house and ask them how many cubic metres (or feet) they are allowing for. You can then get an accurate quote from a far-away firm without them having to visit and you can hopefully be sure all your stuff will fit in the van(s).
Removal Costs - Red Baron
All of our stuff fills a the four-bed house we now live in. We moved from Hastings to Lutterworth (150 miles). Went with a local independant in Hastings and it cost £1200. Nothing is cheap and the cheapest usually cut corners!! Independants are often 30% cheaper than big nationals.

I saved some money by insuring all of the stuff during transit with my Buildings & Contents insurer (accidental damage). This was significantly cheaper than the removal peoples insurance. I don't know whether all removal companies let you do this.
Removal Costs - Martin Devon
Moved to N. devon in '87 from Middlesex. Used a small independent guy. Can't remember cost, but do know that the big boys pick up staff from the dole queue when they get busy...Just a thought.

VBR............MD.
Removal Costs - Hugo {P}
Where abouts in Devon are you moing to?

I can recommend a good removal firm based in East Cornwall that may quote you.

I've no connection with them but they are generally regarded as being courteous efficiant and careful. I know one chap who's worked for them for several years, and I suspect this may be a reflection of their employmet policy.

Their name is Cyril Worth. They have moved people out to Spain from here, as well as locally.

H
Removal Costs - defender
often found that a company will give you a better quote on a return load as the journey has been paid for on the outgoing trip so try phoning removal co where you are going to,having said this all haulage costs are increasing to the point where they have to make all they can
Removal Costs - Round The Bend
Thanks all for your advice.
Hugo, we're off to Tiverton. I'll check with your recommendation when the time comes.
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Removal Costs - cheddar
We moved from Surrey to Somerset four years ago, used a biggish company, Cadogan Tate, they came to estimate however on the day of moving they could not get everything into their fairly large van. No quibble - another van arrived and both vans turned up at our new property the next day. They had clearly underestimated though made no attempt to charge any extra, under £1100 all in.
Removal Costs - Round The Bend
Not really thought about it until I saw your posts, but I guess another advantage of having a removal company from the area you're moving to is that your goods will be kept on their premises locally overnight rather than in some lorry park.
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IanS
Removal Costs - L'escargot
I've always found that Pickfords are cheaper than most. Although they have more than one person to load the van, it's often only the driver that goes with the van to the destination. When the driver gets there he finds a Pickfords employee locally, who is working on another job, to help unload. There might be a slight delay in starting the unloading by doing this but it does seem to reduce the cost.
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Removal Costs - terryb
Moved from Surrey to Dorset exactly 1 year ago and paid £2000 to Bishops for the privilege. This included all the insurances they offer ('cos I'm a coward). Pickfords quote was marginally cheaper but they didn't offer the same insurances. Local firm obviously didn't want the job - quote was outrageous.

Only quibble was unloading when all the crew wanted to do was get shot and go home, so wouldn't necessarily recommend Bishops for service.

Terry
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School Maths Challenge - Rebecca {P}
Apparently my son's teacher has asked the class (9 year olds) to think of a situation where an odd number plus an even number gives an even number.

Now he may have misheard the question, so I've asked him to double check, but as it stands it seems impossible. Any Back Room wisdom out there?

I won't necessarily tell him the answer, but it's bugging me!
School Maths Challenge - Round The Bend
Does 1 and -1 count?
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IanS
School Maths Challenge - Round The Bend
Does 1 and -1 count?>>


Re-read Rebecca's email. Now heading for the corner wearing a pointy hat with a D on it. Doh!
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IanS
School Maths Challenge - L'escargot
Apparently my son's teacher has asked the class (9 year olds)
to think of a situation where an odd number plus an
even number gives an even number.


Is the clue perhaps in the fact that the answer is "a situation .......", i.e. it is not just a case of adding two numbers. Even if it is, I still can't give you the answer! But I'm working on it.
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School Maths Challenge - L'escargot
Apparently my son's teacher has asked the class (9 year olds)
to think of a situation where an odd number plus an
even number gives an even number.


Is the answer in here somewhere? tinyurl.co.uk/m9w0
I'll plough through it when I've got more time.
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School Maths Challenge - Statistical outlier
If it was an odd number 'and' an even number can make an even number, then I can imagine that there are situations like 4 x 5 or 4 x 7 where that is the case. Or 20/5. Or other combinations.

If that's not the case, then perhaps the teacher is actually just trying to get them to really think about it, I'd imagine that it would really aid their understanding to come to their own conclusion that they can't.

As far as simple addition goes, I have to agree with L'escargot's link

When an even and an even combine, they form another even.
When an even and an odd combine, they form an odd.
When an odd and an odd combine, they form an even.
School Maths Challenge - Robin
I suppose you could argue that if one moves away from conventional Base 10 arithmetic you can have situations where on paper you get results that look like you have odd+even = even. For example, in Base 3
2 + 1 = 10

Looks like two + one = ten (even though it is of course one zero)
School Maths Challenge - Nsar
Yeah, I'm always having to tell my kids to stop counting in base 3 and use binary like the rest of us :)
School Maths Challenge - Mapmaker
Vectors?

Take a triange with three sides of say 10, 11 and 12 units long.

Start from one corner and go 10 units in the appropriate direction. Then go 11 units in the appropriate different direction.

How many units are you from the start? 12 units. Odd plus even = even.



I suppose you can have all sorts of fun if you go for a walk starting at or near the North Pole. I am sure that if you get your spherical trigonometry right then you can work out an entertaining route.... along the lines of start at the pole go one mile south, one mile west and one mile north and how far are you from your starting point? Nought miles as you are back at the pole.


Is the number 12 a good example? Thats an odd number "plus" an even number.
School Maths Challenge - Rebecca {P}
I will try and get the exact wording of the question. I'm assuming that they have some hope that a bright 9 year old could work it out...which is frustrating for a graduate 36 year old!
School Maths Challenge - Dalglish
rebecca -
going back to a previous question you had asked:
in ihaq vol 123, re. a pioneer cd player.

www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=40376&...e

if it has not been sorted yet, try placing the cd in the tray "upside down". i am told that some pioneer cd players only work with the shiny playing side facing up.

Electoral Roll - Address on the web - Adam {P}
I got sent a link to a website claiming to have electoral roll details of people.

I put Dad in - nothing. I put me in and I'm there! Full name and address for all to see available to anyone on the web.

How do I get rid of it? Is there anyone I can contact?

Thanks,

Adam
Electoral Roll - Address on the web - adverse camber
well whats the web site ?


You can opt to be excluded from the public roll - ie the one they sell - we are.

cuts down on the junk. (with mps/tps/exdir/etc)
Electoral Roll - Address on the web - Mapmaker
I have never had anybody write to me or telephone me to sell me something as a result of my presence in the electoral roll or the phone book.

Don't be paranoid. If your details are there, so are the details of 50m other people over 17. You're much more likely to be picked on for driving a Gold Foccus with baseballcap in Lancaster than for some net stalker to track you down.

Member of friends reunited? Thought so. email address available to all, plus a goofy photograph.
Electoral Roll - Address on the web - Armitage Shanks {p}
I don't want to be contacted in writing, on the phone or by e mail (with one exception) by anybody that I don't know. I am not in the phone book, I am only on the copy of the electoral roll that is held in the local council offices; I don't answer withheld numbers and if I ever get forced to have an identity card I won't carry it. That is the way I choose to run my life, each to his own! My e mail address is posted, in clear, in my profile on this forum and nothing has ever happened as a result of this - it is the only place where it is available.
Electoral Roll - Address on the web - Nsar
I like that new haircut of yours
Electoral Roll - Address on the web - Adam {P}
The site looks wholly dodgy and is called:

www.b4usearch.com

It says I can be removed from it but I have to put mu full "correct" phone number in otherwise it won't work apparently. If I do this, then they might have my phone number too!

I don't wear baseball caps. I don't go to Lancaster. I'm not a member of friends reunited. And I am paranoid!!

The only place I've put my email address is here simply because it's so obscure and you have to delve to get it.

I can't find a single person that I know on there though. Not one of my mates, no family members or anything. I'm really careful with details I give out too.

Other people it comes up with have phone numbers on there which mind doesn't which is some small good thing.
Electoral Roll - Address on the web - Mapmaker
That is an excellent site - not dodgy. It takes the electoral roll & the telephone directory and combines the results - just like 192.com (which you will recall came to prominence when Jill Dando was shot after being stalked on 192.com by somebody doing no more than they would be able to do from the telephone book) except you have to pay for 192.com and b4usearch is free. You'll find me on it. The reason there's no telephone number for you is because your father pays for it & it is in his name. He's presumably ex-directory otherwise it would match you up.
Electoral Roll - Address on the web - SpamCan61 {P}
ooohhh...my entire family are on there; including my daughters, who aren't old enough to be on the electoral roll.

I see I can have my name removed instantly by calling a premium rate number. :-/
Electoral Roll - Address on the web - Mapmaker
>including my daughters, who aren't old enough to be on the electoral roll.


You must have put them on there when you filled in the last electoral roll form.
Electoral Roll - Address on the web - Armitage Shanks {p}
In what way do you think it is 'dodgy' Adam? It is just providing a link to services already in the public domain like the phone book and electoral roll ie it saves you a trip to the Town Hall! My ex-wife is in the phone book and I found her, at her present address. The site doesn't know where I am as I am ex-directory and not on the electoral roll that is available thru the site you mention or thru 192.com, who sell a combined phone book and electroral roll on CD for up to £300, depending on which version you buy.
Electoral Roll - Address on the web - Adam {P}
I assumed the site was dodgy because it has some stupid URL.

If it's to do with the electoral roll, then how come Mum, Dad or Amy aren't on there? We are ex-directory yes and it is in Dad's name.


Electoral Roll - Address on the web - Stuartli
Mapmaker

I use 192.com for free as do most people.

I see some woman has been arrested in the Birmingham area today for alleged electoral malpractice; seems to be concerning the forthcoming local elections.
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Electoral Roll - Address on the web - Dalglish
use 192.com for free as do most people

>>

i suppose you can't tell us how?

Electoral Roll - Address on the web - Adam {P}
I've just used it for free for the first time.

Put my name in, my full name comes up, loads of X's and the previous people in this house.

Looks like if I want more info I have to register but every other person with similar names comes up with their phone numbers too.
Electoral Roll - Address on the web - Adam {P}
Well - Dad came in and said I was being silly and to stop being so soft.

He's right.

Thanks for all the advice all the same. Somehow, I don't think anyone's going to stalk me.
Electoral Roll - Address on the web - Altea Ego
After your comment about the windows Sox?

How is your bunny anyway?


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Electoral Roll - Address on the web - Adam {P}
Either;

a) Boiling nicely

b) Missing - presumed kidnapped by a stalker

(Delete depending on what you meant - I'm getting fed up of appearing so stupid by asking what people mean ;-))
Electoral Roll - Address on the web - cockle {P}
Interesting, or at least I thought so.

I appear, not surprising as in phone book and on electoral role previously, but not listed on current role as I ticked the box on the return.
SWMBO appears but only as on the historical electoral role.
No1 son who has just turned 18 does not appear at all.
Thus it would appear that the tick on the registration form works but that they also publish info that could be some time out of date, I could have moved in the meantime and gone ex-directory. So perhaps not as accurate as some might fear!