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'Blocking' someones driveway - Brill {P}
It appreciate the backroom's opinion on this one.

I usually do the school run by cycle, but occasionally use the car. The school is in a residential road (detatched houses) so the pick up involves parking outside the houses. There rare usually enough free spaces on the road, between each drive, but it I'm one of the last to arrive I'll park (still on the road) right outside one of the drives (drop kerb).

I would NEVER get out and leave the car, and would immediately drive off if I ever saw someone wanted to enter of exit their drive, so in effect I'm not causing an obstruction.

But is what I am doing illegal? I ask as I had an angry confrontation with someone else who complained that I was blocking not theirs, but their neighbours drive.

I can completely understand that someone would be annoyed if people parked and left the car, but I explained that I wasn't leaving it, and don't appreciate someone banging on my car.

No parking restrictions on this road.

Cheers.
'Blocking' someones driveway - Duchess
If you're not actually switching the engine off, locking the doors and walking away, you're causing no more of an obstruction than if you were in a stationary line of traffic in the main carriageway. It sounds like you were taking someone else's earache.

'Blocking' someones driveway - Brill {P}
That's what I thought, but they do write snotty letters to the school.

'Blocking' someones driveway - AR-CoolC
That's what I thought, but they do write snotty letters to the school.

Always make me laugh that one. Do you think that maybe the school was already there when they bought the house??? If so then expect there to be a lot of cars around at drop off/pick up time.
'Blocking' someones driveway - drbe
That's what I thought, but they do write snotty letters to
the school.
Always make me laugh that one. Do you think that maybe
the school was already there when they bought the house??? If
so then expect there to be a lot of cars around
at drop off/pick up time.

>>

Possibly, but in the 'good old days' (before the Boer War?) :-

a. Children went to the local school and -
b. Little Jacasta and Zachary were allowed to walk as much as 50 or 100 yards - holding Mummy's hand - to school, without the use of a motor car.
'Blocking' someones driveway - just a bloke
As someone who used to have his drive blocked on a regular basis by someone dropping off their little johnny or mary I really sympathise with the guy who knocked on your door.

However, I appreciate you sitting in your car is not the same thing at all. I'd probably not have been overly upset about it if you were there.

BUT cars parking both sides of a narrow road between the drives frequently menat that no-one could get out of their drives anyway, which is pretty annoying. As is the frequent mouthfuls of abuse I got from (mainly women) in the event I took the matter up with them.

I'm pretty sure the majority of these dropper offers didn't need to use their cars anyway.
I've moved but it must be worse now because they all probably drive 4*4s

:( JaB
'Blocking' someones driveway - smokie
They probably suffer a *lot* of noise and inconvenience as a result of living close to a school, and as you happened to be there, as Duchess said, they vented on you.

I have the same here but with learner drivers - perpetual reversing round the corner outside and the occasional 8 point turn.


A meighbour of mine blew off a couple of weeks ago at a driving instructor whose pupil was particularly slow at his manoeuvre thus blocking neighbour's drive when he was trying to go out. But as he admitted, he was having a hard time from his boss and wasn't ina good mood.

Nothing illegal IMO, just wrong place wrong time.

'Blocking' someones driveway - Baskerville
We have exactly this problem outside our house. There are a few things that spring to mind as very annoying:

1. Sometimes you come home to find you can't turn into your driveway because someone is blocking it. They can't go anywhere because you are blocking them in and you can't reverse because you have a line of cars behind you. The only way out of the logjam is to drive around the block again, with no guarantee it won't happen the next time round.

2. Even if your driveway is not blocked, if someone is blocking nextdoor's driveway as you describe it is impossible to pull out into the road. Visibility is severely restricted and there's not enough room to swing into the opposite side of the road even if you could see it was clear.

3. An accident happened outside our house a while back because someone pulled out into a gap in the oncoming traffic, thinking they could get past a couple of parked cars and then had nowhere to pull into out of the way as they expected. When one side of the road is blocked the driveway entrances are a refuge. Accidents aside, this also severely restricts traffic movements to one way only as the one lane stretch is too long.

None of these things is too bad if it happens once, but when it happens three or four times a week, it gets irritating.

But the really annoying thing is that by parking out of the way 50 metres further along the road the person blocking the driveway wouldn't cause any of this.
'Blocking' someones driveway - storme
it is my right to enter my drive when i want to ,,and not when someone else decides....so if they are a delivery driver delivering to next door,,or the milk man or the whatever,,,,get out of my way
its very selfish you expect them to wait 10 seconds,,when u yourself cant wait 10 seconds for a new space to appear.
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'Blocking' someones driveway - mare
it is my right to enter my drive when i want
to ,,and not when someone else decides....so if they are a
delivery driver delivering to next door,,or the milk man or the
whatever,,,,get out of my way
its very selfish you expect them to wait 10 seconds,,when
u yourself cant wait 10 seconds for a new space to
appear.
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Well funnily enough, you have a legitimate grip about someone blocking your driveway if you're driving out, because that's obstruction. But driving in, there is no offence, and nothing you can legally do about it.

Discussed on here before, but a while ago.

Personally, my drive gets occasionally blocked, but the car is soon moved, in fact as soon as they see you getting in the car.
'Blocking' someones driveway - Brill {P}
Baskerville, I can see why that would drive you mad. Of course they must have expected the problem given that they bought a house next to a school! I'll try park elsewhere, it's not worth the agro.

I live in a wide quiet suburban road, it's a magnet for learners falling over themselves to practice their three-point turns. I wait patiently, but some like to rush between them like a downhill skier on a slalom.

Thanks to all for the deliberation.
'Blocking' someones driveway - Baskerville
Oh I don't mind the traffic. It's expected if you're near a school and the school run period is pretty short each time. Also it's a good school and Baskerville Jr will be going there. But given it's a difficult driving situation, people don't seem to see the consequences beyond "I'll get out of the way if someone wants to use their driveway." Anyway.

The real danger around here--we're in a pocket of houses with fields either side--is the massive tractors towing even more massive trailers, that have to drive on the pavement to get past the parked cars, and do so at almighty speeds. Harvest time is especially exciting and makes you realise just how small and vulnerable a Lancruiser Amazon really is.
'Blocking' someones driveway - L'escargot
I usually do the school run by cycle.....


I'm all agog to know how you carry a child on your cycle.
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'Blocking' someones driveway - Brill {P}
I usually do the school run by cycle.....


Two cycles, why?
'Blocking' someones driveway - storme
Brill is correct...if people buy a house next to a school,,they should expect it.....

its like people buying a house next to a garage/industrial estate...then moaning about the noise.. :)
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'Blocking' someones driveway - Brill {P}
Storme, I didn't state it quite as strongly.

Escargot, I didn't say I took the child on the cycle with me did I?
'Blocking' someones driveway - mjm
I expect to be able to pull off my drive when I want to. I accept that I may have to wait to pull onto it until any stationary traffic has moved on. I do not expect my access to be obstructed by a parked, empty car. Someone dropping someone off, delivering a parcel/milk etc, no problem. If I only had a few minutes left to live I would be doing something more interesting than driving anyway.

I live in a quiet cul de sac anyway, it has been known for neighbours to have a party,etc, and other neighbours, seeing the lack of available parking, to invite use of drive as option, because "We have no plans to go out, if something crops up, we'll come and find you"

'Blocking' someones driveway - nutty_nissan
In fairness, what you were doing isn't an issue, since you were in the car. However, like others have said, other folks have probably left their cars blocking drives down that street in the past, and so it's a case of people being so fed up, they can't even tolerate someone stopping outside their drive with the engine running for 10 seconds!

Parking in residential streets is getting worse and worse. My next door neighbour thought he was some kind of mafia don (he was from Sicily), and when I asked him to move his car from our drive (he was treating the small gap between drives as a space), he turned ugly and threatened to kill me in front of the entire street. Even the police came round and told me everyone in the street would be too terrified to testify that he threatened me over a space. I thought of teaching him a lesson, but to be honest, it turns into a tit for tat vendetta as seen everywhere in life.

Perhaps it might be easier to park once every part of the country is concreted over, and then we will have no problems finding a space! Or perhaps we could have less cars ;-)
'Blocking' someones driveway - Stuartli
Blocking a driveway is an offence and you should contact the police.

My neighbour (from hell) who has four vehicles, parked his van halfway across my drive late one night recently and when I came home having used the last bus I blew a fuse.

I immediately rang the police and then spent five minutes knocking on his door to get him out of bed.

Eventually he came down and cursed and swore at me (got even better back) and the police were able to listen to the conversation.

Eventually he moved the van to another location and there were more words exchanged, especially when I warned him if he did it again (my wife could well require to be taken to hospital at any time) then I really would take serious action.

I then spoke to the police on my cordless phone, who had been listening patiently) and told that if, at any time, I had any further problems to contact them immediately.

I also have several friends who live near a local primary school situated on a narrow one way street.

The problems caused by parents leaving their vehicles parked across their driveways is a daily menace and continues despite several police and council attempts to stop it.


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'Blocking' someones driveway - Nsar
I used to live right next to a school and there were one or two young mums I was rather pleased to have blocking my driveway.
'Blocking' someones driveway - teabelly
I'm sure a suitably leering look from you would make sure they never did it again though ;-)

I would never choose to live anywhere near a school. School run parents are some of the most selfish people around and will stop anywhere regardless. I used to have to drive past a school at morning unloading and it was a nightmare. Sometimes you'd have mothers stop right in the middle of the road so you couldn't even get through. It's a good job you can't get rockets for cars as otherwise many a parent would have been vapourised :-)
teabelly
'Blocking' someones driveway - Altea Ego
I live in a road with a major school. 300 yards away in fact. There is chaos for 20 mins in the morning and 20 mins in the afternoon.

Funny enough its the same 20 mins every day, which means those of us who have brain cells make allowances and plan for it.
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'Blocking' someones driveway - Hugo {P}
The problem is that if we all made sure we weren't obstructing a driveway on a major road whilst we were queuing in traffic, a 10 car tailback would stretch half way across town.

The sensible thing is that if I notice someone wants to turn int a drive that I'm blocking, I try to either pull forward or reverse back. Usually, but not always, the person in front or behind me sees what I'm doing and co operates. Havingsaid that the vehicles I drive aren't easy to miss!

...and no I DON'T drive a 20 tonner before anyone asks ;)
'Blocking' someones driveway - Stuartli
>>The problem is that if we all made sure we weren't obstructing a driveway on a major road>>

The problem is not as you describe, but mothers of young children who block driveways and then disappear whilst they take the offspring into the school grounds (often some distance away).
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'Blocking' someones driveway - Hugo {P}
Now that's a different matter entirely. That's just plain selfishness.
'Blocking' someones driveway - colinh
Slightly off-topic - locally here in Spain you need an annual licence to have drop-kerb access to the road. With the licence you get an official "No parking" sign. Surprised the revenue-raisers in UK haven't followed suit.

You could argue why anybody has right of access across the footpath to their property, and why shouldn't they pay for it. Likewise they're depriving people of on-street parking.
'Blocking' someones driveway - Stuartli
>>You could argue why anybody has right of access across the footpath to their property, and why shouldn't they pay for it.>>

Why shouldn't they have right of access? And why should they pay for it?

In fact we already all do directly or indirectly through the medium of council tax.

It also maximises on-street parking availability if car owners use their driveways.


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'Blocking' someones driveway - Red Baron
Some of you people are making sweeping generalizations as to buying a house near a school. Unless you know the precise situation you really oughtn't comment.

Example:

My in-laws live in a road (cul-de-sac) at teh end of which is a school. They built the house there 35 years ago, and in the meantime the school has not only grown considerably, but the tendency to use the car to drop the children off has grwon even more.

When somone parks in front of ones! drive one cannot know whether that person will be there for 30 seconds or for 30 minutes. To watch them all would drive people mad. After all I bet the parkee would not be happy for some to park infront of thier drive.
'Blocking' someones driveway - Smileyman
We live near a shopping street ... couple of years ago it was awarded 'pay & display' parking. So the shopkeepers loose out and shoppers, unable to find a spot to park, or unwilling to pay, now use our turning as a free car park. Trouble is there is not enough space for the residents, and this is not just 20 mins in the morning and 20 mins in the afternoon.
Now, our driveway is half protected by a single yellow line, so we get just half blocked in, anytime, by anyone who could be anywhere.

'Blocking' someones driveway - Stuartli
so we get just half blocked in, anytime, by anyone who could be anywhere. >>


It is an offence. Call the police.

Another way is to link up with a neighbour and block the offender's vehicle with your own cars.
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'Blocking' someones driveway - horatio
Escargot, I didn't say I took the child on the cycle
with me did I?


Even if you did it wouldn't be a problem, there are child carrying seats for bikes, the bike might be tandem, or you might have a buggy trailer which attaches to your bike.
'Blocking' someones driveway - BazzaBear {P}
>> Escargot, I didn't say I took the child on the
cycle
>> with me did I?
Even if you did it wouldn't be a problem, there are
child carrying seats for bikes, the bike might be tandem, or
you might have a buggy trailer which attaches to your bike.

Or you could have sat him on the handlebars...
Sorry.
'Blocking' someones driveway - R75
SWMBO parents live in a road just by a school and have real problems with ignorant parking. I was once trying to deliver some block paving to a customer whose drive was being blocked by some women who was dropping their kid off at school, he was not impressed, so I drove right up behind her, he moved his car as close to the front of hers as possible, made a cup of tea and waited for her return. About 15 minutes later she turned up and started getting really abusive with us, I said I would move after my cuppa, made her wait 25 minutes, hopefully taught her a lesson about parking in front of peoples drives, but probably not!!!
'Blocking' someones driveway - PhilW
I think eveen partially blocking a dropped kerb must be illegal - my daughter has just told me that her car was "towed" last week because she was doing just such. From what she says it was one of these dropped kerbs which make it easier to get prams/pushchairs onto pavement, near a junction (leading to a park with locked gates so not really causing much of an obstruction especially since she parked late at night and was leaving early in morning). Cost her £200 to release car plus parking fine! I think she won't do it again.
Incidentally, she thought that car had been stolen, went to police and they suggested contacting NCP (the "towers" for the local authority) but how are you supposed to know whether car has been stolen or towed? How would she have known who the towers were without help of police?
Phil
'Blocking' someones driveway - Stuartli
>>Cost her £200 to release car plus parking fine! I think she won't do it again. >>

Excellent...:-))
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'Blocking' someones driveway - PhilW
"Excellent...:-))"

Cruel!!!







But fair!
Phil
'Blocking' someones driveway - Dalglish
partially blocking a dropped kerb must be illegal ...
she parked late at night ...

>>

she probably infringed highway code rule 222/223/224 (parking at night) or 217 (either the 10 metres from junction or lowered kerb bit).

[ by the way - the highway code uses metric measures, i was under the impression it was not legal to do so in relation uk roads ? ]

as for the o.p. topic:
rule 217 says you must not park in front of an entrance to a property.
'Blocking' someones driveway - PhilW
"she probably infringed highway code rule 222/223/224 (parking at night) or 217 (either the 10 metres from junction or lowered kerb bit)."

I think you are right, and as I said above, I think she has learnt her lesson, but the £200 plus parking fine that it cost her seems a bit harsh for a parking offence. Still, that's life and we all learn from our mistakes. Needless to say, parents (well, not me, but SWMBO!!) have made a contribution towards it!!
Phil
'Blocking' someones driveway - burbs
I am a delivery driver and we have various bits of paper stuck up in our office, 1 of them is the law surrounding parking across someones drive.

If there is not a car in the driveway then you can park across it legally and there is absolutly nothing anyone can do about this. If however there is a car in the drive then the police do have powers as this is an offence, thats what our papers say anyway.
'Blocking' someones driveway - just a bloke
I am a delivery driver and we have various bits of
paper stuck up in our office, 1 of them is the
law surrounding parking across someones drive.
If there is not a car in the driveway then you
can park across it legally and there is absolutly nothing anyone
can do about this. If however there is a car in
the drive then the police do have powers as this is
an offence, thats what our papers say anyway.


Just because something is legal doesn't make it right and I think that deliberately blocking someones drive simply because they have the misfortune not to be in it would mark the driver of the vehicle doing the blocking as a truly ignorant and selfish person.

People who justify any kind of anti-social behaviour on the grounds "it's not illegal" need to take a long hard look at themselves.

JaB
'Blocking' someones driveway - Dwight Van Driver
Burbs

If there is a special enforcement Order in place then under Transport Act 2004 it is an offence to park opposite a dropped kerb whether or not a car is in the drive.
dvd
'Blocking' someones driveway - Stuartli
>>Just because something is legal doesn't make it right >>

I have a friend who has to use a powered wheelchair; his main transport is a specially adapted van and this is driven by his wife.

Access to the van from his home is via a removable set of ramps over the entrance and then further ramps up into the rear of the vehicle.

If someone blocks their drive then they are effectively inprisoned until that person returns or, alternatively, cannot reverse the van onto the property.

As approximately 10 per cent of the population is affected by some form of disability, this means that there are likely to be many people greatly inconvenienced by such behaviour at some time or another.

I wouldn't object to a delivery driver parking for a very short period of time across my driveway to make a delivery nearby if parking would be extremely difficult or cause an obstruction on the roadway, but it should be undertaken only if absolutely necessary.

Even better would be to ask permission first if someone is at home.
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'Blocking' someones driveway - horatio
>>Just because something is legal doesn't make it right >>
I have a friend who has to use a powered wheelchair;
his main transport is a specially adapted van and this is
driven by his wife.
Access to the van from his home is via a removable
set of ramps over the entrance and then further ramps up
into the rear of the vehicle.
If someone blocks their drive then they are effectively inprisoned until
that person returns or,


They could park elsewhere round the corner and "walk/wheel" back to the property. Could also "unload" on the highway then husband can wait/go in house, whilst wife goes to park the car.
'Blocking' someones driveway - Dalglish
the law on obstruction is explained in simple english at
www.walsall.gov.uk/transport/motor/parking.asp

The public highway can consist of a carriageway, footpath, pavement and grassed verge and in law nobody has any right to do anything on the highway except to pass and repass (i.e. to travel along the road or footway). Parking on the highway, however wide, is an obstruction, even if there are no waiting restrictions and no yellow lines and anyone causing an obstruction can be subject to the appropriate penalties for that specific offence. In reality, such are the demands of modern life that on street parking on most roads is condoned where the degree of obstruction is relatively small.


a good guide to dealing with blocked drives is at the neighbours from hell website:

www.nfh.org.uk/resources/Articles/parking/index.php
'Blocking' someones driveway - Dalglish
and a lawyer's interpretation of the obstruction rules is

"You commit this offence if, without lawful authority or excuse, you wilfully obstruct the free passage of the highway. The 'highway' includes the road, the pavement, grass verges and private property used as a public thoroughfare. 'Obstruction' includes anything that prevents passing and repassing along the highway. It is also not necessary for the whole of the highway to be blocked for the offence to be committed. The offence is obstructing the highway, not other highway users, so it is not necessary to prove that anyone was actually obstructed. The obstruction has to be 'wilful', so you will often be asked to move and if you do not then this will be used as evidence of your 'wilful' obstruction in court.

This offence can only be tried in the magistrates' court, the maximum penalty is a fine of £1000. There is no power to send a person convicted of this offence to prison. Fines are generally no more than £150.



'Blocking' someones driveway - horatio
and a lawyer's interpretation of the obstruction rules is
"You commit this offence if, without lawful authority or excuse, you
wilfully obstruct the free passage of the highway.


snip

Ok so we have people saying:

1. It is illegal if there is a car in the property being blocked, presumably it only becomes illegal when someone actually wants to leave the property by car/vehicle

2. It is not illegal if there is no car (or other vehicle) on the property, unless there is a "special enforcement order" in place. Do these SEO's cover specific properties or areas and how does one know which properties (or dropped curbs) are covered at any particular time? For example can you write to your local force or council and ask what SEO's are in effect in the county?

3. Others (Dalglish) say stopping anywhere on any highway is obstruction. Presumably excludes marked parking bays? But only when it becomes willful obstruction, which means the OP is still legal to sit in his car.


No. 3 seems to contradict No 2.
'Blocking' someones driveway - Welliesorter
If there is not a car in the driveway then you
can park across it legally...


Ignoring all the other issues, if the garage door is closed, how would you know whether there's a car there or not?

'Blocking' someones driveway - BazzaBear {P}
>> If there is not a car in the driveway then
you
>> can park across it legally...
Ignoring all the other issues, if the garage door is closed,
how would you know whether there's a car there or not?

Has this just turned into a discussion on the Schrodingers Cat principles?
'Blocking' someones driveway - Cliff Pope
"and private property used as a public thoroughfare"

But does that include someone's driveway?

If the obstruction does not have to be proved to have actually obstructed anyone, then it is surely irelevant whether there is actually a car in the garage or not?
'Blocking' someones driveway - Nsar
Was it that cat that was the problem in IHAQ 100?
'Blocking' someones driveway - Welliesorter
Has this just turned into a discussion on the Schrodingers Cat
principles?


Hmm... not necessarily. I was just making the point that if it's a drive that leads to a garage, as most do, you can't know whether you're blocking someone in or not.

'Blocking' someones driveway - horatio
Hi OP,

From this thread and all the replies, I think we can safely say "NO" it is not an offence. Because you remain with the vehicle. Therefore irrespective of whether or not there is any vehicle on the property or any technical obstruction of any sort. The obstruction will never become willful so no offence committed.
'Blocking' someones driveway - Manstein
I must say I sympathise with the problems aired on this thread. I have access to the road from my house and from my brothers business along a 200? drive. I have a community centre alongside and many times over the years have had the access obstructed either by blocking the entrance or actually using the drive for parking. Favourite memories include the artic driver taking a snooze after offloading here found his exit blocked by several cars, he merely pushed them out of the way with his truck and headed for home. Much ranting from enraged owners but he never heard anything else about it. Over about 30 years I myself have pushed cars off my drive with tractors, lifted them off with fork lifts and despite many threats both physical and legal nothing has gone further despite damage to many of them. Contractors working on our property were just about to push a car out of the way with a Caterpillar D8 (Overkill I admit!) one day when the lady owner appeared apologised for causing the obstruction but stated they wouldn?t have been able to move her car as not only had it got the handbrake on but it was in gear!!
'Blocking' someones driveway - L'escargot
If I had a problem of school run vehicles blocking my drive I would contact the local council and request that lines were painted on the road outside my drive, like I've seen done in the next village. The lines are in the form of a sideways elongated H and are painted on the road about 300 mm from the edge of the road.
If the council refused my request I would come up with a reason for the lines that would bring tears to the eyes of even the most hard-hearted council official.
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'Blocking' someones driveway - Stuartli
sideways elongated H >>


These are used in my town but rarely have much effect on the school run brigade as several of my friends who live close to schools will testify.

It often brings tears to their eyes, especially if they are late for work...:-)
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