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The Top Gear Thread - Vol 11 - No Do$h

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Toyota Prius - Economic Sense? - Galaxy
If my TV guide is correct, tonights Top Gear has another Toyota Prius road test.

Should be well worth watching.
Toyota Prius - Economic Sense? - Happy Blue!
Errr....no it wasn't...
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Espada III - well if you have a family and need a Lamborghini, what else do you drive?
Toyota Prius - Economic Sense? - Galaxy
Sorry if I mislead anyone one here, I'm very disappointed with their efforts, too.

I expected them to give the Prius a full road test.

Obviously not !!!
Toyota Prius - Economic Sense? - J Bonington Jagworth
"I expected them to give the Prius a full road test"

As was billed, of course. With hindsight, we should have realised that it was never going to get a look-in, but probably better that than the full Clarkson sneer. And who lent them a 747? That programme makes 'Loaded' look sophisticated...
Toyota Prius - Economic Sense? - Welliesorter
And who lent them
a 747?


It had Virgin Atlantic logos all over it. I thought there was some subtle advertising going on as the item began with lots of shots of the luxurious interior.

I know I'm sounding like an old woman, but I was amazed that they were allowed to do that. My father worked for the RAF, who were obsessed with the risk from what was called Foreign Object Damage or FOD. Even a stray nut or bolt could cause untold damage to a jet engine. Airfields are regularly swept for foreign objects. Cleaning up after those two ex-cars would be a massive job and would have to be done extremely thoroughly.
Toyota Prius - Economic Sense? - Stuartli
Depends on which airfield it was videoed.

To be quite honest I really didn't get the point of what was trying to be put over and at what seemed considerable expense.

Anyone with half a brain would be aware that a jet engine (four in fact in this particular case) would hurl a car passing pretty close to its thrust output a fair old distance - even a modest gale can topple high-sided vehicles over on exposed roads or bridges.
Toyota Prius - Economic Sense? - Welliesorter
Depends on which airfield it was videoed.


Prestwick Airport I think.
Toyota Prius - Economic Sense? - Imagos
My father worked
for the RAF, who were obsessed with the risk from what
was called Foreign Object Damage or FOD. Even a stray nut
or bolt could cause untold damage to a jet engine.


You could interpret that as a little bit disrepectful to the people who perished on Concorde as the accident happened in a simular way.
Toyota Prius - Economic Sense? - Welliesorter
You could interpret that as a little bit disrepectful to the
people who perished on Concorde as the accident happened in a
simular way.


Interpret what? The item or my post? All I was pointing out is that stray objects on airfields can be extremely dangerous.
Toyota Prius - Economic Sense? - Imagos
The item on the show not your post. good point on your behalf sorry for any confusion.
Which mondeo (cont.) - maz64
> I realise this is getting picky now :-) but the one they showed they were going to use was a Mark 2 so from about R reg to X. The one they actually used was the mark 1 so from K to P I think.

Sorry- showing my ignorance - I thought mark 2 Mondeos were the 'new' ones ie. what I guess you would call a mark 3.

John
top gear - Imagos
> I realise this is getting picky now :-)


The story about the Rover V8's demise sort of went off on a tangent instead of a detailed history of a great engine we ended up with a glorified banger race that had nothing to do with the engine except the SD1 'may' have had a V8 in it.

The 747 clip was predictable but very watchable. I'm very surprised that they did get permission for that from the CAA.

Obviously Virgin got a free advert.

Advert free public service broadcaster? hmmmm..
top gear - helicopter
Did anyone else notice that the item which embarrassed box junction violators was filmed in what should be the most likely place in the country to get nicked , ie on the junction of Victoria St right next to New Scotland Yard, home of the Metropolitan Police.
top gear - CG
I certainly would not have wanted to be the crew responsible for taking the 747 out of there. A lot of the debris was blown into the grass and would have taken some finding afterwards. The area was still well within range of the engine intakes, even though it looked as though it was done at almost the extreme end of a runway. The whole thing was just more silliness on the part of a once watchable programme - thought I would watch it again just for once, but no, it's as puerile as ever. A sensible use of the licence-payers hard-earned? No. It long ago lost it's ability to 'inform', and in my view even fails to 'entertain'.

CG
Pedant - pdc {P}
Pedant mode on

FOD starts out as Foreign Object Debris, and if it causes damage it's only then that it becomes Foreign Object Damage.


top gear - Stuartli
Oh lighten up a bit..:-)

The entire programme is all a bit of fun whilst, as far as I'm aware, Richard Branson's 747 fleet is not missing one of its aircraft.

As no one is aware of who paid what for the virgin territory segment of the programme, we are not in a position to categorically state whether licence payers' money has, or has not, been wasted.
top gear - MichaelR
I dont understand why everyone has such a downer on Top Gear.

It's just a bit of fun - a light-hearted car based entertainment programme. If thats not your bag, then why waste an hour watching it only to complain about every feature afterwards?

You all KNOW what its like, you know what sort of show it is so why do you continue to watch it?

Yes, it would be nice to have a car programme on television which gives unbiased, sensible reviews of the cars we'd like to buy, but that is not the current Top Gears place. Top Gear is there to entertain.

A GT40 flying around a runway will entertain more people than a bloke driving around in a Vectra 1.8LS giving a comprehensive review on cabin noise and cup holder locations.
top gear - Phoenicks
hear hear Michael - everyone stop whining. Its a lot better than pretty much most car related tv programmes. More entertaining, more uptodate and more varied.

top gear - Altea Ego
Its a program based on cars, it makes me laff, its entertaining and sometimes informative.

Whats wrong with that?

You want I should watch \"where the heart is\" or \"f***beat\"*

No thanks

(* Rhymes with \"heart\", not the other one. ND)
top gear - andymc {P}
Anyone remember "Driven"? I quite enjoyed that show in its earlier format, although I didn't always agree with the outcome of their comparison reviews. Still, it wasn't done in a boring, solely fact-based style - I remember they compared the handling of a few hot hatches by getting them to follow a lorry at speed and chucking large cardboard boxes out for them to dodge.

Then they dispensed with that and attempted "motoring-related entertainment", apparently with little or no budget, and it plummeted in terms of programme quality and ratings. Car Sumo, pallet racing, "zany" camerawork. So, why do I like Top Gear while I hated the last series of Driven?

One thing is that while car sumo is just naff, at least features such as banger darts on Top Gear were amusing because they're a bit outrageous - who wasn't entertained by what they did to prove the durability of that Toyota Hilux? However, the key difference for me is that these items were also entertaining because in some way they demonstrate an admiration, respect and enthusiasm for engineering excellence (like the machine they shot the cars off for banger darts, or the 747 backdraft blowing cars to bits, or the engine & chassis of the Toyota, or even the Humber Bridge!). It says to me, "look what we are capable of achieving, look what we can do if we put our minds to it". I won't pretend that Top Gear is in any way cerebral, but I think that love of engineering is still a feature of the show which prevents it from descending into farce.
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andymc
top gear - Sofa Spud
How about a comparative road test of TV motoring journalists?

Cheers, SS
top gear - NowWheels
How about a comparative road test of TV motoring journalists?


wot, make 'em run in front of a hot hatch while people in a lorry throw cardboard boxes at 'em?
top gear - No Do$h
wot, make 'em run in front of a hot hatch while
people in a lorry throw cardboard boxes at 'em?


LOL! I'd pay to see that!
top gear - frostbite
Richard Branson's 747 fleet is not missing
one of its aircraft.


'Coincidentally' Virgin aircraft also seemed to out feature everything else in Clarkson's History of the Jet.
top gear - Stuartli
>>'Coincidentally' Virgin aircraft also seemed to out feature everything else in Clarkson's History of the Jet.

Probably because Branson is immensely aware of the value of publicity.

However, some of it was library stock and seen in other programes in the past.

No doubt Jeremy will be scraping and bowing to Ford again when the first jet powered GT40 hits the design board...:-)
top gear - daveyjp
If you noticed only two of the 747 engines were spooled up - what would have happened with 4 doesn't bare thinking about!
407 - Top Gear - Vansboy
They sort of liked the car, but....

I thought that 136 engine was supposed to be superior, even to the very good 110 lump, in current 406. Whats changed??

It's hard to believe that the French have forgotten how to make a good diesel.They wouldn't have turned it down a bit, to annoy Mr Clarkson & co, would they??

VB
407 - Top Gear - Citroënian {P}
Reading this weekend's Sunday Times Clarkson column I think he's just decided he'd better have an opinion on it. Can't imagine the French have got a diesel wrong either.


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Lee
MINI adventure in progress
407 - Top Gear - Sofa Spud
I like the 407, but has any accessory maker come up with a set of teeth for it yet?

Cheers, Sofa Spud gnash gnash

407 - Top Gear - Quinny100
The Top Gear review slated the performance of the new 2.0 HDi 136, but praised the handling.

The group test in What Car I read about 6 weeks ago criticised the handling and said the engine was pretty good.

Do motoring journalists have any idea what they're talking about?
407 - Top Gear - Stuartli
You'd have a whale of a time driving it.
407 - Top Gear - Stuartli
i.e.

>>..come up with a set of teeth for it yet?>>
407 - Top Gear - frostbite
Does it run on petrol or krill?
407 - Top Gear - NowWheels
Does it run on petrol or krill?


LOL!

It's a shark, not a whale. So it eats people rather than krill.
407 - Top Gear - Stuartli
But it doesn't have a krill, only a very large elongated hole.

407 - Top Gear - NowWheels
But it doesn't have a krill, only a very large elongated hole.


Maybe it's targetted not at businessmen, but at priests and imams and others who want a holy car
407 - Top Gear - Mark (RLBS)
Oh my good god, get back to motoring these puns are awful.
407 - Top Gear - Mapmaker
I thought it had a hole in it, but Mark says it's all full. Oh well.
407 - Top Gear - Chas{P}
Had one on overnight loan from my new employers. (Guess who?)

I thought the 136 diesel with the 6 speed gearbox a superb combination. Between 1800RPM and 3500RPM the torque and power delivery was impressive to say the least even with 4 people plus their luggage on board.

Don't believe all the journo hype......
407 - Top Gear - Stuartli
Took until today to actually see my first one.

Stunning.

But the colour was a somewhat disappointing grey otherwise it would have been even more eyecatching.
Top Gear Vol III - patently
Bored! Listless!

::[withdrawal symptoms]::
Last Series of New Top Gear - Computer Says No
Was it Series 3 or Series 4?

I suspect the latter.
Last Series of New Top Gear - Dynamic Dave
I suspect the latter.


Yep, series 4.

www.bbc.co.uk/topgear/thisweek/