No Dosh,
I'm a complete luddite as far as mobile phones go so I dont know what EDGE, GPRS etc are, but watch out for bluetooth vulnerability, an article in one of the major papers yesterday demonstated how simple it was to hack the phone and extract text messages, pictures and directory information from the unwitting users phone via bluetooth. The manufacturers admitted that there is a major security hole.
See the times on 14th April, the technique is known as 'bluesnarfing'
Have fun!
Ian L.
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'bluesnarfing'
Eeeeep! Just read the Bluestumbler site and a couple of articles on Geek.com and zdnet.
Quite why anyone would want to know my gran's 'phone number and when I'm due at the dentist is beyond me, but how worrying is that?
Hmmm, perhaps a little surfing to find some Bluesnarfing software for my iPAQ could cause some hilarity next time I'm sat on the tube.....
>}o, <--- Evil Hacker smiley
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No Dosh;
In terms of data throughput then ?normal? HSCSD is only just a bit faster than normal GSM data : 14.4k as opposed to 9.6k, although it is circuit switched, so throughput should be consistent. I notice the 6600 is capable of supporting HSCSD up to 43k; but I?m not sure what networks in the UK can handle that.
GPRS data throughput can vary significantly, depending on demand, how the network is set up, and what ?class? of GPRS the phone supports. The 6600 goes up to 40k, but this is packet data so throughput is heavily dependant on the level of traffic on the network.
The 6620 is a good each way bet in many respects ( pretty much a 6600 with EDGE) ; but it doesn?t work on GSM 900 networks, so is a limited use in Europe ?D?oh.
In terms of EDGE network roll out I?ll see what I can find in the public domain today?I?m kinda busy testing EDGE base stations at the moment ;-)????.Spam
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THank you Mr Spam sir. I had a feeling I might hear from you on this one.
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Bluesnarfing seems pretty unworrying, as your telephone has to be switched on to Bluetooth in order to be bluesnarfable (that cannot be a word).
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Ah, but when I'm sat on the train my bluetooth is switched on, otherwise I can't continue to Mod you lot from my iPAQ.
Still, switching to a new, more secure and seemingly unbluesnarfable (?!?) 'phone in the very near future.
And my dental appointment is next Friday morning, if anyone is interested. No point in giving you my Gran's number as she isn't in. (make of that what you will)
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No but we will all be outside the dentist giggling and waiting for the drill sounds
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You'll need a disabled badge or an excuse to visit the Alfa Dealer. It's in Westbourne..... (See disabled parking thread for an idea on how clever the parking is)
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Set up a web cam for us then
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I think the article which I`ve heard about not read is actually aimed at those that keep security no`s in the phones wallet.some shop using the phone and store in the wallet credit card no`s.although it is password protected it could still be opened by someone with the knowledge and using bluetooth.I have just bought a sonny/e T610 which does both ir and bluetooth.but I doubt will use the wallet
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Mech1
The Times article describes how a bluetooth enabled laptop and some custom software can be used to bypass the normal bluetooth access protection on certain Nokia mobiles without the owners knowledge and download and stored data
regards
Ian L.
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Err, ND, this isn't the technical board. For us luddites, is it possible to have a translation into English, please? Even if we cannot help, we might be able to put the knowledge to good use ourselves!
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Which bit?
HSCSD, GPRS and EDGE are all ways of accessing data on the interweb thingy from one of those newfangled mobile telephones.
All are known as \"Always On\" services, so once activated you remain connected to the webserver for your network. If you did this by dialling in to the network you would be charged by the minute. The Always On services only charge you for the amount accessed/downloaded. Correction. Orange charge per second for HSCSD access. ND
I was asking about the pros and cons as GPRS and HSCSD have been around for a while but I\'ve never got to the bottom of which is meant to be quicker/faster. It seems there are nominal differences from what I\'ve read above. The biggest problem I have with GPRS is that I often use it in busy areas where the available network is already being heavily used. That slows the connection quite dramatically. HSCSD doesn\'t suffer from this, but has other shortcomings. I think Orange only offer it to business customers on pretty expensive packages, so academic really. Addendum. GPRS is around 10kbps whilst HSCSD on Orange will go up to about 28 HSCSD. ND
EDGE is a new system that has yet to be released in the UK. Based on 3G technology (I think), it is monstrously faster than the quickest GPRS connection.
I\'m curious because I have recently started to access this site (and my email) whilst out and about, using my \'phone and iPAQ. This has shown some limitations with the technology so I\'m looking for ways to speed things up, including an upgrade in OS from PocketPC2002 to 2003. (Mark?)
If it\'s BlueJacking and BlueSnarfing you were referring to, a quick google will give you loads of info. In essence it is where people can extract data stored on some older mobile devices equipped with Bluetooth without your knowledge.
ND
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Hiya...
I could be stepping way out of my depth here but I've got GPRS on my phone, and can access AOL and my email and some websites, but this one never works - is there a different honestJohn address to use on mobile phones, or have a got the wrong end of the stick?
Thanks!
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What 'phone have you got? Does it have a web-browser (Opera or similar) or is it just WAP? If it's WAP only then you won't be able to read the content of this site.
To access this site you will need a simbian or "smartphone", something like a Nokia 3650 or 6600 with Opera or a SonyEricsson P800. An XDA or similar will also do the trick. Failing that a PDA with pocketpc and internet explorer works a treat with any GPRS enable phone provided both have bluetooth or you get an appropriate cable to connect them.
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Ahhhh.... it's an X1 (my second in four months, as it keeps breaking) and it only has WAP. I need an upgrade I think!
Thank you!
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(Isn't a mobile telephone what the butler brings to you on a trolley?)
Thanks - it was the various EDGEs that confused me. Do they stand for something (meaningful!) or are they just jokes invented by the techies to confound poor so and sos like me?
I'm too stingy to spend money on anything like that, so I suppose it's all academic anyway! I reckon pay as you go is marvellously cheap. Just occasionally I hanker after something sophisticated - I have an IR port on my phone, so I can use my laptop if I really really want to, at about 9 bits per month. This GPS lark got me over-excited.
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EDGE
Enhanced Data Rates for Global Evolution
EDGE is a technology that gives GSMA and TDMA similar capacity to handle services for the third generation of mobile telephony. EDGE was developed to enable the transmission of large amounts of data at a high speed of 384 kilobits per second. EDGE is also referred to as E-GPRS (abbreviation for Enhanced GPRS).
HSCSD
High Speed Circuit Switched Data
HSCSD is a circuit-linked technology for higher transmission speeds, up to 57 kilobits per second, primarily in GSM systems.
GPRS
General Package Radio Service
GPRS is a standard for wireless communications which runs at speeds up to 150 kilobits per second. The current GSM (see GSM) systems only reach 9,6 kilobits. GPRS, which supports a wide range of bandwidths is an efficient use of limited bandwidth and is particularly suited for sending and receiving small bursts of data, such as e-mail and Web browsing, as well as large volumes of data.
This and other techy comms speak can be found at www.derdack.com/support/glossary.html
It\'s a good thing it\'s quiet at work this week.
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Flippin 'eck ND...are you after my job? ;-) I'm intrigued as to how anyone can get 57k out of HSCSD : it's 14.4k on GSM and 3*14.2k = 43.2k using EDGE, although a circuit switched 43k connection sounds rather bandwidth hungry, I'm not convinced many network operators will want to support that.
My challenge for the morning has been to try and confirm that a Nokia 6820 supports GPRS as well as EGPRS, the website is not 100% clear on this. It's elder brother the 6800 is favourite phone amongst my co-workers at the moment, although Growler doesn't sound overly impressed with his 6820;-/. Personally I'm still using a 9210i, which is excellent for SMS / e-mail usage, but not exactly pocket sized...
UK operators seem very coy about EDGE roll-out by and large, it's been very much USA focussed, as the brief summary linked below shows... www.cellular-news.com/story/9310.shtml
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Flippin 'eck ND...are you after my job? ;-)
Always keen to diversify and add to my portfolio...... :o)
My challenge for the morning has been to try and confirm that a Nokia 6820 supports GPRS as well as EGPRS, the website is not 100% clear on this. It's elder brother the 6800 is favourite phone amongst my co-workers at the moment, although Growler doesn't sound overly impressed with his 6820;-/.
Not keen on the 6800 range. That keyboard just looks like a brittle connection looking for somewhere to happen. 6600 is starting to look interesting, given the current lack of info on EDGE. By the time it goes live I will be due my next upgrade anyway!
Cheers for the link.
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>>That keyboard just looks like a brittle connection looking for somewhere to happen.
Yes it does look a little 'fragile'...but I know at least a couple of dozen 6800 users , and no-one has broken one in two (yet).
I've not used a 6600 for any length of time; but I have had a play with one, and it does seem pretty slick in operation : probably a good bet for now, looks like it could be a while before EDGE is widely available in the UK.
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Thanks, ND. Even if the definitions rely on other definitions, and your link comes up with http 404...
A far cry from the 5 free text messages per day for life that I bought for £15 from Orange with my pay as you go 3 years ago when I was the last person in the world to buy a mobile... I thought text messages were pretty impressive!
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Thanks, ND. Even if the definitions rely on other definitions, and your link comes up with http 404...
Ooopsy. Link amended.
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