right, I did maths a long time ago but I reckon this is right. You nedd to find what percentage of 80 your score was. So for assignment 1 you would do (100/80) x 58 = 72.55. Now this is only a percentage of 35% (still with me ?) , so the secondary calculation has to be (35/100) x 72.5 = 25.375.
So for your first assignment, you actually scored 25.375%, which will count towards your final score. Doing the maths for the second assignment (I won't recount it all again here) sees you with a score of 33.69% (rounding for simplicity to 33.7). All this menas that so far you have a combined score of 25.4 + 33.7 = 59.1%, so subtracting this from you ideal score of 71% means you have to contribute 12% from the final exam. This actually correlates to a exam result of only 32% !!
Hope this makes sense...well done by the way, it appears you're almost there !
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Thanks! I'm a long way from there (still got 15000 words to write), but I will promise to thank the back room when I get to wear the gown and silly hat in about 8 months time!
Someone's just told me that actually the marks are percentages, but that noone actually gets more than 80 ever. Does that make a difference to the calculations... let me try and work it out and you can all see how thick I am!
Assignment 1: 58 x (35/100) = 20.3%
Assignment 2: 77 x (35/100) = 26.25%
So far combined = 46.55%
Need a further 28.45% to get a score of 75% overall (aiming high!)
..ok I don't know how to do the last bit! I used to be clever, honestly!
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I don't think that works because you've not taken into account that the assignments are marked out of 80, and that they equate to only a fraction of the 35% that you could attain for that assignment...I think. basically by just doing 58 x (35/100) you're doing yourself out of some marks as it should actually be
(100/80 x 58) x (35/100)
don't forget that 1% of 80 is actually 1.25% of 100, so 58% of 80 is 72.5% of 100. The next stage is just to work out the weighting, and that's easy - it's just 72.5% of 35, or (35/100) x 72.5 = 25.4
I found it easier to not think of the final percentages (i.e. the ones out of 35% as a percentage, but rather as a score which you can then tot up to see how far off you are from 75)
hope this is clear(er),
humdinger.
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I seriously doubt this is the way it will be worked out, and I have quite a bit of experience in these things. While the different assignments and exam are given 35, 35 and 30 percent, this is likely to be notional, to make the adding up easier and to give the students some idea of what each piece of work is "worth". In reality I bet it will be split three ways. That is to say that the three results will be added together and divided by three. On the other hand some departments work on a "preponderance" system, of which there are several variations. So for example (not in this case), if a mark of 69 in the exam would pull a candidate into the 70s overall he/she would still only get a 2:1 if two of the three assessments were below 70. In this case you will need to score in the 70s to get an overall 1st, so preponderance won't apply. Incidentally if you end up a borderline 1st (say an overall score of 70) your 58 may work against you in the exam meeting. But that's down to the individual board.
Bear in mind that on the whole university examiners want to raise grades rather then drop them, and they always have.
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Can't say I blame them - it would take hours to work out the final results by hand if there were a large no of students doing these assignments. However, you could set up a spreadsheet with the relevant formulas in a matter of mins, then feed in the figures for all the students and have it calculate them all for you.
Even so, to just work out the mean of the 3 and use this as the official result seems a little wrong to me, when you've publicised that the assignments and exam are weighted.
still what do I know, I dropped out of academia when I was still practically wearing short trousers !
humdinger
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It can seem unfair I agree, but in the final analysis most students fall pretty comfortably into a degree classification. The borderline candidates are discussed at meetings and their overall mark altered and adjusted to give them what they deserve based on their general performance (anyone can screw up an exam after all). All assessments are marked by at least two people (Pologirl's marks may well be provisional at the moment anyway) and marginal cases go to an external examiner as well. This is all done anonymously in most places these days, so there's no favouritism or bias.
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If all three parts are marked out of 80 and you need an average of 70 out of 80 for a first:
You need (3 x 70) 210 marks for a first. You already have (58 + 77) 135 marks. So in the exam you need (210 - 135) 75 marks!
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Paul... I don't think that works, because they're weighted grades. Or am I trying to make this more complicated than it actually is?
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I hope the exam wasn't in applied maths !
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Thanks all... thankfully it's not in maths at all, it's in advertising!
I'll just revise really hard and aim for 75 I think... after I've watched Corrie and Crashes That Changed Formula 1.
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I'll just revise really hard and aim for 75 I think...
It's the only way--not worth worrying about it. Good luck.
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The weighted grades factors only makes a very minor difference. Aim for 76 to be on the safe side!
Having said all that, lots of employers are not so sure about people with firsts! I think the theory is that you have to very very hard to get a first, we all know that all work and no play makes dull people. Many employers don't want dull people aim for a good 2:1!
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The weighted grades factors only makes a very minor difference. Aim for 76 to be on the safe side! Having said all that, lots of employers are not so sure about people with firsts! I think the theory is that you have to very very hard to get a first, we all know that all work and no play makes dull people. Many employers don't want dull people aim for a good 2:1!
my opinions below based on "friends" in the right places in the russell group.
very probably true in the old days. but nowadays uni degrees are devalued and the value depends on the uni.
afaik pologirls post timed at 17.52 is correct. 80 is 80% max that is given to unusual high quality work. rare to go over 80%
the calcultaion
" You need (3 x 70) 210 marks for a first. You already have (58 + 77) 135 marks. So in the exam you need (210 - 135) 75 marks! " is correct assuming that the 58 and 77 are % figures.
on that basis pologirl needs 75% or more in final submission.
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alternatively,
if the weighting is in the ratio 35:35:30
pologirl is right to say she needs another
28.5 marks out of 30
= 95% score in the last paper!! for a first.
upper second used to be 65 - 70 % overall.
if that applies, pologirl needs 23.5 marks to get 65% minimum.
23.5 marks out of 30
= 73.57 % in final paper for a 2.1
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alternatively, if the weighting is in the ratio 35:35:30 pologirl is right to say she needs another 28.5 marks out of 30 = 95% score in the last paper!! for a first. upper second used to be 65 - 70 % overall. if that applies, pologirl needs 23.5 marks to get 65% minimum. 23.5 marks out of 30 = 73.57 % in final paper for a 2.1
I've been involved in Higher Education one way or another since the mid-1980s and an upper second has been 60-70 in all of the seven polytechnics/universities I've been involved with in that time, so you must be talking about a long time ago, or Oxbridge, which is the same thing. It's right to say that 80 is usually seen as the maximum possible, but it's measured out of 100, in reality if not in the documents. Whichever way you work it out Pologirl needs a clear first in her final paper to get a first overall, though as I've hinted very few marks are taken as absolutes in examiners' meetings: there is a great deal of "remodelling" using various methods, to get the candidates the best possible overall grade. Marks do not generally get "remodelled" downwards other than in cases of, for example, a very good candidate who is caught cheating.
For the record the degree classification in most UK universities is as follows and has been for well over a decade. There are some minor variations, usually in the lower grades:
1=70+
2.1=60-69
2.2=50-59
3=40-49
Pass (non-honours) degree=35-39
Fail=34 and below.
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Having said all that, lots of employers are not so sure about people with firsts! I think the theory is that you have to very very hard to get a first, we all know that all work and no play makes dull people. Many employers don't want dull people aim for a good 2:1!
Oh PFD - I've got a 1st. In engineering. I must be really dull!
Anyway, PG, given that it's a words exam and not numbers one where there is a right and wrong answer, I think you're going to find it v difficult to aim at a mark! Work hard and enjoy the praise....
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RichardW
Is it illogical? It must be Citroen....
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One of my modules at uni is....
I don't know...I swear I have a mathematical form of dyslexia... good job my degree is in words and pictures and not numbers!
When I was at university some 40-odd years ago, all undergraduates had a good knowledge of basic arithmetic. They had to have, otherwise they wouldn't have gained admission!! Sign of the times......?
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L'escargot by name, but not by nature.
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