My wife has a 1995 Vauxhall Tigra which I suspect has been suffering with sticking valves brought on through short trips and supermarket petrol. We have been filling up with Shell/Texaco and recently Optimax which has made a big difference. I would like to complete the job by adding 'Forte gas treatment'.
Could anyone tell me were to source 'Forte gas treatment' in the Lancashire/Merseyside area? Also could you give me an idea of how much it costs?
I don't understand why it is supplied only by garages, how difficult can it be to pour it into a fuel tank.
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It is usally sold only to main dealers as a "value added' 'rip off' on the services they do.
Try Fiat dealers, I have seen them in two of those.
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Well, my 'Unipart' shop at the local Rover agent sell it. I paid about £7 last time I bought some. You could ring Forte direct and ask them for local distributor.
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National Tyres Depot in Runcorn had some last time I went in as well as the diesel version £9.99 a bottle if I recall correctly. I suspect other National depots might carry it worth a phone round.
regards
Mark
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Hi Godfather,
Far from being a "value added rip-off" it really is very good and worthwhile, in my ever so humble (30 years in the trade) opinion, having been using it and - yes - selling it for many years.
Suggest you contact Forté Lubricants on 0247 647 4069 to establish your nearest stockist.
Regards, Adam
Whatever is rightly done, however humble, is noble.
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I'd echo Adam's sentiments aswell. Good stuff is this Forte 'potion'!
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In what way is this product beneficial Adam? If one uses one of the major premium brand of petrol and you don't do short school run type motoring surely this product is just a profit centre for main dealers who use it to bump a regular service bill.
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If you can buy it for £10 and a dealer charges £25,he gets a nice little earner.
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Sorry to sound so stupid but could someone tell me what exactly this stuff does and when it should be used.
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Enhances main dealership profits. Seriously have a look at:
www.forteuk.co.uk/index2.html
I'll get me coat.
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Forté Gas Treatment is specifically formulated to remove carbon deposits. As it does not completely combust in the cylinder it is particularly useful in cleaning the exhaust valves and ports. It can also be improve Oxygen Sensor and Cat functions. It is therefore very effective in cleaning up an engine that does predominantly short runs. It does not attack the gum and varnish deposits typically causing injector problems - the same company\'s Fuel System Cleaner should be used for this. They can be used together.
Modern high-spec fuels are better at KEEPING an engine clean in these respects, but rarely attack deposits and fouling once it has built up.
Regards, Adam
Whatever is rightly done, however humble, is noble.
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Fair doos Adam but I do object to the mark up main dealers slap on.
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Absolutely, Godfrey, but you need to speak to that nice Tony Blair about re-introducing retail price maintenance I am afraid !
I sell Gas Treatment for £8 + VAT, and make a reasonable profit. Nuff said ?
Regards, Adam
Whatever is rightly done, however humble, is noble.
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I agree Godfrey but there probably isn't a huge turnover for the stuff so the cost of holding stock means a larger than usual margin is necessary to make it economic for the retailer. I'm not sure about this, but it would seem sensible logic. Whether the size of margin which you indicate is really justified is another matter.
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We religiously add gas treatment (to petrols engines) and injector cleaner (to diesel engines) at each main service, priced at £7.50+VAT. I cannot remember the last time we had to pull a diesel fuel injector for servicing.......
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A colleague of mine had to replace the head gasket on the Rover 214 belonging to the wife of the (then) local Forte Rep.This car was treated with Gas Treatment at every service. With my hand on my heart, when the manifolds came off that engine the intakes and exhausts were literally spotless. Sold me on the stuff!
Andrew
Simplicate and add lightness!
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Well, at least Adam and DL charge areasonable price for it. I was charged an outrageous price for it before I wised up to what it was. It was double what Adam and DL are charging. It prompted me to find the Forte web site. They've changed it now but it was all about how their stuff could enhance dealer profits. I'm afraid that got even further up my nose!
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I shoud add I'm just about to change my car and I notice the new dealer is promoting the stuff. I will make a point of asking how much they charge and if it's more than Adam or DL I'll tell them no thanks i'll source the stuff myself. Adam, you've convinced me it's worth having but I'm not sure I do the type of motoring that would get full benefit.
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Note that many manufacturers do not approve the use of these additives. If the car is under warranty then let the dealer put it in for you and take the responsibility for any problems that may arise.
Personally I am cautious about using these substances. The fuel system additives are basically a combination of a strong detergent and wetting agents. They will dissolve deposits - but the deposits have to go somewhere. Similarly the gas additive is a powerful carbon solvent - again it all has to pass through the engine and the cat.
I would be interested to know of any VM's that recommend or market their own additives.
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Impressive. So it has no tendency to cause head gaskets to blow then?
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No, the K series does that all by itself ;-)
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Good point Aprilia. I\'ll ask the question \"Is it manfacturer approved?\" It will be interesting to see what sort of answer I get. It did occur to me it\'s not in the service schedule for my car.
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In the USA several manufacturers have been prosecuted for making claims about gas additives which cannot be substantiated by independant tests. Some of these companies have been forced to return millions of $s to customers.
About a decade ago Rover engineers at Gaydon (Rover Group, before BMW) tried to find out if several additives and bolt on economy devices were actually any good. After spending a fortune on test cars, track time, lab time and engineers time the project was canned as a waste of resources with no firm conclusions being drawn.
All this leads to cynics like myself tarring all these products with the same brush. I have tried a few myself over the years and found most to be unimpressive. The only one I have been half impressed with is Slick 50 Fuel Treatment. I haven't tried the Forte stuff, but based on Adams report I may give it a go in my car as it too suffers sticking valves when cold (a common problem on my motor).
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Think you're right Cyd. BTW - did you work at Gaydon in the BAe days? I did some consultancy work there around that time (as did quite a few people!). Do you by any chance now work for an outfit that also makes showers ;-)
Anyhow, as regards additives - if the fuel system cleaner and gas additive does such a great job shifting 'deposits' what is it doing to the lubricant film on the bore (which is there to reduce wear)?
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