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The quality of the Back Room - Happy Blue!
I have been lurking on pprune.com (a forum for all parts of air travel) and have come to realise that here in the Back Room we are a very pleasant and civilised bunch of petrolheads. We rarely swear, don't use much bad language and most importantly are generally polite with each other even when we disagree violently.

Compared with pprune, which is a haven for loudmouthed know-it-alls who may know it all, but then tell you in a very (virtual) loud voice not to insult their intelligence.

So thank you all. After flirting with other fora, I always come back to my friends in the Back Room.

EIII
The quality of the Back Room - cepi
Agree, it's not just the politeness here, but the quality of information and knowledge of people here is amazing. Keep it up!
The quality of the Back Room - Badwolf
I have to agree. I've been a member of the Back Room for the best part of seven years now and it's always a pleasure to come back to the warm and civilised atmosphere after visiting other 'fora' (like it!). It's rather like walking back into your cosy local pub with a roaring log fire, cask ale and friendly regulars after paying a visit to a city centre 'Frog & Firkin' or somesuch.

I actually had a heated 'discussion' on our town's website forum about private parking companies and their penalty charges. Such a discussion would have (and indeed has been) carried out on here with (mainly) good humour and reasoned debate. On this other forum, I was accused of all sorts and insulted simply because my opinion differed from the main protagonist's.

Long live the Back Room!
The quality of the Back Room - Armitage Shanks {p}
Ah yes BW, the well known 3 stage discussion!

1. Bald statement of "Fact"
2. Blunt contradiction
3. Verbal Abuse

I've seen a lot of that but not here!

Edited by Armitage Shanks {p} on 04/11/2009 at 11:37

The quality of the Back Room - Altea Ego
perhaps we should all go and vent our spleens on pprune.com!
The quality of the Back Room - ForumNeedsModerating
>>perhaps we should all go and vent our spleens on pprune.com!

Or vent something anyway..
The quality of the Back Room - Armitage Shanks {p}
I haven't been here as long as many but I totally agree with the previous sentiments. Because of my aviation connection I do visit Pprune from time to time but it is like an unlit back-alley in a nasty part of a nasty town, compared with this haven of tranquility! There is one other site with equal charm - The Cloud Appreciation Society" but they are hardly going be thugs are they? When I see there are 320+ I have a Question volumes that makes me realise that that's 32,000 Q & As and all top quality. There is also a load of highly professional and relevant information given by people who are expert in their field(s).
The quality of the Back Room - AshT
Agree totally - although I'm more of a lurker than a poster I always know when I do post here I'll always get constructive and sensible replies, never any form of abuse.

The quality of posts and the clarity of writing, to say nothing of the high standard of moderation, makes reading this forum a pleasure too.
The quality of the Back Room - helicopter
I too frequent pprune but am only really looking at the Rotorheads forum...

They are usually pretty helpful but some of the older ex military do not take kindly to being told they are wrong by the wet behind the ears brigade...but its generally good humoured.
The quality of the Back Room - Altea Ego
No "old bold pilots" huh?
The quality of the Back Room - Armstrong Sid
I like the analogy of the roaring fire in the village pub as against the city centre pub-4-u.

It seems that the Back Room has some kind of hidden chav-filter which keeps it civilised
The quality of the Back Room - redviper
I agree

I love the interaction with all the other BR?s and the wealth of knowledge that?s on here, its truly a pleasant place to be, and although we may disagree with each other I respect fully everyone?s own opinion.

I have to admit that I may not be able to come up with interesting threads like other members, but I do try and I like to contribute as often as I can.

Im truly grateful for the advice I was given when I purchased my car, and other advice when needed.


This is a fantastic place to be part of.
The quality of the Back Room - DP
I've registered with quite a few motoring forums over the years, but this is the only one I still regularly visit.

The strict moderation can be frustrating at times, but at least it is applied fairly and consistently. A visit to other forums with more relaxed rules shows how quickly things degenerate into personal insults and abuse if left unmoderated. I think the moderation policy here seems to automatically repel such people anyway, leaving only those people who want to have intelligent and rational discussion and debate. In my years here, I can think of only one person who truly made me angry with their attitude (not naming names and haven't seen them here for ages anyway), but the mods were on the case within minutes. Otherwise, differing opinions have always been expressed politely, and with good nature.

The other truly refreshing thing about this place is its lack of "cliques". On one motorcycle forum I used to visit regularly, there was a select group of individuals who would club together to insult / put down anyone who disagreed with them, or who somehow caught their attention for any reason. They would even boast about their little "clique" quite openly. Then there were the "public flouncers" who would huff off in the most spectacular way, with a long ranting post about how they were leaving and never coming back. Attention seeking nonsense.

None of that applies here. It's the best motoring forum on the internet (that I've seen, anyway).

Cheers
DP

The quality of the Back Room - The Melting Snowman
"I can think of only one person who truly made me angry with their attitude..."

Can't think who that was ;-)
The quality of the Back Room - DP
Can't think who that was ;-)


I didn't think I'd made it that obvious. Oops. :-)
The quality of the Back Room - Statistical outlier
> I didn't think I'd made it that obvious. Oops. :-)

Xactly, you should have tried harder :-).

Seriously though, just to say again, the backroom is a pleasure to use compared to any other internet forum I've ever been on. Keep it up guys n girls.

G
The quality of the Back Room - Dutchie
I enjoy this site,there is a lot of knowledge and sensible advice .There is no need to swear or be abusive to make ones point.(That sounds posh):)
The quality of the Back Room - Bagpuss
Would also like to add, almost no use of txt spk, no annoying avatars, emoticons or ultra long signatures showing photos of the contributors' lowered and chavved up BMWs.
The quality of the Back Room - Mick Snutz
Good point Bagpuss.

Long live the Back Room!
The quality of the Back Room - drbe
>>almost no use of txt spk ...emoticons... or ultra long signatures showing photos of the contributors' lowered and chavved up BMWs.
>>

Agree 100%. A classic car forum which I visit seems to indulge posters who have several photos of their cars - on every post!
The quality of the Back Room - henry k
I too frequent Pprune and find some interesting info but the threads drift and are so long that the same points get repeated ( as it is to onerous to read the whole lot)
loads of rubbish spouted

Here we usually keep the responses short and generally polite.
I am happy to accept the moderation and lack of abuse as a haven from them out there.

Edited by henry k on 04/11/2009 at 13:09

The quality of the Back Room - tintin01
Very, very occasionally I get a bit miffed when someone asks a BR question and gets a sarcastic or terse reply. Generally though, I keep coming back because it is civilised, informative, and well-written.

Posters really seem to make the effort to check their spelling, grammar etc. before they post, making reading the answers a pleasure not a chore.
The quality of the Back Room - paulvm
As another regular reader but irregular poster then I can only agree with all the comments made so far.
I now log into this site also daily for its blend of motoring, computing and miscellaneous themes! All of which are sensible, polite (the vast majority), and certainly informative.
Viva la chambre derriere! (Now awaits corrections to this phrase).
The quality of the Back Room - Alanovich
Viva la chambre derriere! (Now awaits corrections to this phrase).


Calling it the "Back Bedroom" is taking the bonhomie a little too far!

:-)
The quality of the Back Room - Mick Snutz
...just so long as they don't type a whole book on a subject. Some posts can be too long so I lose interest. That would be my one criticism.
The quality of the Back Room - Happy Blue!
You haven't been on pprune.com. There they post unexpurgated lengths of legislation or articles, rather than giving a brief explanation and pointing a tinyurl to the relevant page.
The quality of the Back Room - Captain Speedbird
I can't argue with that. But as sure as the braid on my arm is gold, you will find the true aviation professionals posting on www.pproon.org instead. :D

Anyway, while I'm here, what car was it that the pilot in the old Rothmans cigarette ads was leaning against? My money is on the Maserati Khamsin, but I wouldn't bet my 911 on it.

Over.
The quality of the Back Room - Rattle
It is a combination of good moderation and some how dosn't attract the chavs.
The quality of the Back Room - Lud
dosn't attract the chavs.


Xept 4 U an me m8, eh?
The quality of the Back Room - Westpig
Xept 4 U an me m8 eh?


Did you get one of your grandchildren to tell you what to type Lud?
The quality of the Back Room - Lud
I most certainly did not. D'you think I'm ignorant or what?

Learned it all here actually...

:o}
The quality of the Back Room - Rattle
Thanks mods for removing all my swear words and spelling mistakes :p
The quality of the Back Room - DP
Xept 4 U an me m8 eh?


innit, bruv?
The quality of the Back Room - nick
Yes, on the whole a good forum. I miss Aprilia's input though, what happened to him? I also enjoy Pistonheads, some great information available there on all sorts of topics. A different kettle of fish though.
The quality of the Back Room - Armitage Shanks {p}
As a former diesel owner, I relied on the encyclopaedic knowledge of Screwloose on PDFs etc. Where is he now?

Edited by Armitage Shanks {p} on 04/11/2009 at 16:26

The quality of the Back Room - Altea Ego
As a former diesel owner I relied on the encyclopaedic knowledge of Screwloose on PDFs
etc. Where is he now?


He threw his toys out of his pram and left cos his pupils still couldnt get the accronyms right

(large tongue in cheek)


The quality of the Back Room - rtj70
As a former diesel owner, I relied on the encyclopaedic knowledge of Screwloose on PDFs
etc. Where is he now?


Last time I exchanged emails he was fine but busy. He sometimes pops in to have a look too.

As a mod of almost 12 months, thanks for the feedback on the site. But on the whole the members make the site work well too. If someone new posts something wrong we are alerted quickly as mods. Although we try to read a lot (if not all) posts.

So 'gen mNE thx 4 d fEdbak.
The quality of the Back Room - theterranaut
Got to agree with all that have posted. And its not 'sucky' to say that HJ and the mods set the tone, so a big ave! to them.

Armitage Shanks: re Screwloose. I too miss him, never met the guy (?) in person but really liked his style. He once posted a fulsome reply to a question I'd posed along the lines of "why modern garages cant fix cars" that was illuminating and a great read.
And thats the thing- his style is unmistakeable. If you want to get a fix, I suggest you head to the Ilexa forums and read the posts of a chap called "Angus"... I've nothing other than experience of reading SL's posts here to say its the same person, of course, but if not, they were separated at birth.

(raises glass to Screwloose, and nods sagely, muttering: "never buy a used CR diesel without a warranty").

tt

Edited by theterranaut on 05/11/2009 at 10:47

The quality of the Back Room - ifithelps
I've had the odd, er, disagreement with the management.

But even though the Back Room has its faults, for me, there is no other motoring forum that even comes close.

This is the only one I feel compelled to return to.



The quality of the Back Room - Andrew-T
While agreeing with the (perhaps a bit smug?) sentiments above, I would add that a small part of the pleasure is that the site (nearly always) doesn't crash my elderly PC, so the boys in the real backroom also do a good job.
The quality of the Back Room - Lud
It's a bit like a very big and long cocktail party. People arrive. People leave. People quarrel and schmooze. Sometimes they nip out to the bog and come back in disguise.

Naturally all but the very crass are duly grateful to their host and his unobtrusively efficient catering staff.
The quality of the Back Room - Alby Back
Interesting analogy Lud. Wonder if it has ever led to any indescretions in the time honoured manner of such occasions ?

;-)
The quality of the Back Room - pda
I agree with most of the above but I tried to make my feelings a little clear yesterday on this thread.

www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?f=2&t=79...9

I posted it on the current I have a question thread but somehow it migrated to the 'read only' one

Last but one post!

Pat
The quality of the Back Room - ifithelps
...a very big and long cocktail party...


Shame there aren't a few more bonny lasses in cocktail dresses. :)
The quality of the Back Room - Alby Back
That's the trouble with the internet IIH. For all we know most of them could be wearing dresses.........

;-)
The quality of the Back Room - Pugugly
and schmooze

Giz a kiss then.
The quality of the Back Room - Alby Back
Take that frock off PU !
The quality of the Back Room - ifithelps
I say, one of the catering staff is trying to join the party.

Bad form, what?

The quality of the Back Room - Lud
Bad form, what?


Not really. A totally ratted steward is par for the course. You can't really blame them for trying all the cocktails.

The quality of the Back Room - Altea Ego
the leftovers usually
The quality of the Back Room - Another John H
The place is in a league of its own, that's true, and is an outstanding source of information and advice.

But there are occasions I feel it could do with ever so slightly less dusting and house keeping.

The quality of the Back Room - RickyBoy
I have an avuncular affection for the place!
The quality of the Back Room - bell boy
mint Lud..
The quality of the Back Room - Pugugly
Should we greet new members with "A drink Sir/Madam" ?
The quality of the Back Room - Lud
Aha! Sun's below the yardarm I see. Just nipping upstairs to the fridge.
The quality of the Back Room - rtj70
Lud, I hope your house is not totally upside down. It can cause confusion. Upstairs to the fridge... :-)

I'll be saying that soon I hope - buying a townhouse with an office downstairs. Fingers crossed.

I hope I've not offended too many loyal members in 11-12 months as a moderator. And mostly enjoy it - and try to make it clear if I post as a mod I am a moderator. Otherwise I'm just Rob.
The quality of the Back Room - Altea Ego
Put a fridge in the office. And a coffee machine.
The quality of the Back Room - rtj70
I hope to have an office (two'ish... one gets an iMac and the other the rest) downstairs soon with utility room and other facilities.... but that's not motoring. Tell's oneself off for that as a mod.
The quality of the Back Room - Lud
I hope your house is not totally upside down.


Not totally, no, but our bit is. It isn't a problem usually.
The quality of the Back Room - Old Navy
Aha! Sun's below the yardarm I see. Just nipping upstairs to the fridge.


I dont wait that long, Its over the yardarm at about 10am, assuming you have a full sized, (about 160'), square rigged mast in your garden. :-)

www.axfordsabode.org.uk/gangph46.htm
The quality of the Back Room - PhilW
"It seems that the Back Room has some kind of hidden chav-filter which keeps it civilised"
As well as the civilised sontributors, as HJ says - a lot is down to the mods - over the years I've been looking in they have been of a uniformly high standard. A little like that schoolteacher you remember from the old days - you respected him/her, learnt a lot from him but were slightly afraid that you might earn his/her displeasure because s/he could mete (spelling PDA/Rattle etc??) out the punishment also.
Must admit after making a post after rather too much of the red stuff I anticipate replies with a little trepidation!!

Edited: PhilW, You know what I deleted.Rob Edited by rtj70 on 04/11/2009 at 19:14

The quality of the Back Room - old crocks
Now now PhilW, no swearing in a "quality" thread!
The quality of the Back Room - PhilW
I feel suitably chastised, and red faced; I hang my head in shame at broaching the rules of the forum!! Little did I know that a 2 letter word followed by a letter could receive such approbrium. I'll probably get done for trying to get round the swear filter now!
Phil
The quality of the Back Room - PhilW
Or, in todays idiom "What did I do? Your always picking on me I ain't done nuffink, I'm gonna sue you, you can't do that, my dad 'll 'ave you."
The quality of the Back Room - old crocks
Sorry Phil, I was only joking. I didn't mean to get you in trouble with the catering staff. :-)
The quality of the Back Room - cuthbert 1
I have to agree with the original poster !! I now rarely post on other forums these days as all you seem to get are posters who are just nasty .

The thing that really gets me are when posters try to belittle other posters because they do not use the correct spelling or grammar in there posts!!
The quality of the Back Room - helicopter
Nasty posters eh..... no - just pedants.

--The thing that really gets me are when posters try to belittle other posters because they do not use the correct spelling or grammar in there posts!! ---

Surely should be ' their posts ' :0) ( I'm saying nothing more).....
The quality of the Back Room - The Melting Snowman
Generally agree although a cynical person might say that any disgruntled members have long fled the nest by now anyway, leaving only the committed ones...

It's a good forum for all sorts of information but I tend to gravitate towards manufacturer-specific forums for model-specific information more and more these days.
There are some excellent other forums as well. I very much like Pistonheads.

I miss some of the 'old' clan though, particularly 'Screwloose' (technical issues), 'Aprilia' (pretty much everything), and 'THe Growler' (RIP, he used to write good posts about somewhere foreign where he lived).

Not sure about the lack of ?cliqueness? though ? it?s very middle class and right-wing to me. The Telegraph influence, no doubt.
The quality of the Back Room - Nsar
To put a bit of motoring into this thread, for someone who actually doesn't much care about cars (please insert your own "and it shows" comment here) I spend an unfathomable amount of time here.

Pprune is a hoot. If you want people getting incredibly hot under the collar but in a really polite middle class way about the "right way and the wrong way" to do some thing have a look at Period Property and post something casting doubt on whether lime mortar really allows a building to breathe. Heresy doesn't even begin the describe it.
The quality of the Back Room - henry k
To put a bit of motoring into this thread
Pprune is a hoot.

Hmmm. Just about a motoring link.
However IMO do not read Pprune if you are a nervous flyer or it might ground you for ever.

I think the quality of this site attracts those with vehicle problems that are prepared to "take the fight" to the extent of court action.
It is nice to get the end of the story so that the thread is a useful look up.
We all know HJ is a busy fella but it is nice to see his regular input on threads.
As others have said I is nice to have a simple text type site without all the "silly" bits as seen on other sites
My thanks to the mods and Stephen.
The quality of the Back Room - Bagpuss
it?s very middle class and right-wing to me.


I must be getting old. I've never been called either of those things before!
The quality of the Back Room . . . - tyro
. . . is not strained. It droppeth as the gentle rain from heaven, but is, in truth, more like the sunshine, because of the cheerfulness that it doth engender.

Or something like that. :-)

Actually, I don't spend as much time here as I used to. But the fault is not with the Back Room, but with myself. The other places that I frequent on the internet are not nearly as pleasant.

So thanks again to HJ, the mods, Mr Khoo, and the rest of you.
The quality of the Back Room . . . - smokie
What you all said, right, except what I can't stand you know yeah right is them geezers that use txtspk or whatever, know what I mean? This is them right and this is me, like they are so uncool, isn't it? But most geezers here are like well cool and into motoring and this and that and they are all up for it. Wicked forum.

(Search youtube for Armstrong and Miller RAF if you aren't familiar with the style...)
The quality of the Back Room . . . - rtj70
Book
The quality of the Back Room . . . - bathtub tom
I think the mods (I doubt if any of them are old enough to have been a 'real' one) are getting far too uppity as demonstrated in the {P} thread:
www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?f=2&t=79...w

Young Johnny-come-lately's should learn to show greater deference to their betters.

Older indeed. Harumph!
The quality of the Back Room . . . - Altea Ego
Older? positively ancient.

There are some on here who feel that putting a pair of horses between the shafts of their cart instead of one was witchcraft or the trickery of the devil and a modern practise to be resisted.
The quality of the Back Room . . . - mike hannon
it?s very middle class and right-wing to me.

I must be getting old. I've never been called either of those things before! <<

Me neither. Or is it either?

The quality of the Back Room . . . - Clk Sec
www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?f=2&t=79...9

I think this is a great site but I do have the same reservations as cuthbert 1 and pda above.

Clk Sec
The quality of the Back Room . . . - Clk Sec
>>www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?f=2&t=79...9

The penultimate post, that is.
The quality of the Back Room . . . - maz64
The penultimate post that is.


Switch to threaded view and you can post links to individual messages:
www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=79739&...e
The quality of the Back Room . . . - Clk Sec
Thanks, Focus.
The quality of the Back Room . . . - ifithelps
...The thing that really gets me are when posters try to belittle other posters because they do not use the correct spelling or grammar in there posts!!...

For this forum - or any other form of communication to work - we have to be able to understand each other.

That can only be achieved by us all using the same system of spelling and grammar.

For example, I do not understand quite a lot of text speak, so were that allowed on the forum, I would be excluded - might please some of you, but not me. :)

A few spelling mistakes may not prevent a post being understood, but the problem is knowing where to draw the line.

I have seen some posts on here that are littered with so many errors, they are difficult to understand.

The quality of the Back Room . . . - Armitage Shanks {p}
Some of worst posts are newbies who rush in here with a very complicated question, and start it with "Hi Guys" (Yuck), get 30 + answers and never come back or, if they do, don't say thank you for all the help!
The quality of the Back Room . . . - scouseford
Interesting to see that a thread in which we all pat ourselves on the back and tell each other what thoroughly decent chaps we are has prompted 83 replies since it was opened yesterday (4/11/09) at 10.48 am.

The only two threads on the first two pages of the index that have more replies (one about 4x4's and one about a stolen Land Rover) were opened on 21/10 and 12/10 respectively.

As an old friend of mine used to say "it's nice to be nice when you're with nice people".

We are all nice, aren't we?
The quality of the Back Room . . . - Clk Sec
>>don't say thank you for all the help!

Aprilia devoted much of his time on here to answering some pretty complex questions. Most would thank him, but others would not.



The quality of the Back Room . . . - jbif
A few spelling mistakes may not prevent a post being understood, but the problem is knowing where to draw the line. >>


for example, cuthbert's post at Wed 4 Nov 09 20:21 "... >> The thing that really gets me are when posters try to belittle other posters because they do not use the correct spelling or grammar in there posts!! >> ... "
I have seen some posts on here that are littered with so many errors, they are difficult to understand. >>


Ditto.
I came to the same conclusion independantly. It is not a big ask to write proper, yeah, like, innit? Tiepoes are fine, but bad speeling is another matter. At the risk of being called a pedent, I loose interest when there grammer is so bad, it defeats you're attempts at reading there posts. In those cases, your definately better off moving on to the next thread. Gotta go in piece man, innit. My bad. LOL!!!!!!
Aaaaarrrgghhhhh!!!!

Edited by jbif on 05/11/2009 at 17:43

The quality of the Back Room . . . - Pugugly
"Big ask" horrible phrase.
The quality of the Back Room . . . - jbif
"Big ask" horrible phrase. >>


Agreed. I have noticed that some BBC journalists (including BBC Breakfast and Radio 5-live) are increasingly using the phrase "big ask" .

"My bad" is another imported horrible phrase.

The quality of the Back Room . . . - Armitage Shanks {p}
Another recent innovation/horror is the use of nouns as verbs ie an athlete is described as having "Medalled" or "Podiumed"
The quality of the Back Room . . . - Clk Sec
So called verbing. It's like another language.
The quality of the Back Room . . . - Alby Back
Having recently re-entered the corporate world after an extended period of voluntary absence I am still coming to terms with the modern language of the business workplace.

I have been treated to a number of "seminars" hosted by people with strings of letters after their names concluded usually by "MBA" ( Master of Beggar All ? )

I have been invited to "look at the bigger picture" to analyse "green fields", indeed I have been "big asked" on more than one occasion.....I've been told that I can make a loss provided the "pipeline doesn't choke" and to "upscale my resource count," ( hire more people ).

Most of the time I just want to slap them but so far have limited my responses to inward chuckling and suitable muttered oaths......

Edited by Humph Backbridge on 05/11/2009 at 18:38

The quality of the Back Room . . . - Statistical outlier
Humph, the business speak is really useful. It identifies people who don't know what they are talking about, or who are worried they don't and are bluffing. I have rarely met anyone whose acumen I have respected who has used it. Indeed, plain, simple speaking is normally the mark of the real expert.
The quality of the Back Room . . . - Alby Back
Ah thanks Gordon ! Good tip.

I suppose I'll have to keep that thought on the back burner and run it up my personal flagpole to see if it flutters when conditions dictate.........

;-)

Edited by Humph Backbridge on 05/11/2009 at 18:50

The quality of the Back Room . . . - Clk Sec
>>I suppose I'll have to keep that thought on the back burner and run it up my personal flagpole to see if it flutters when conditions dictate.........

I must remember that one!
The quality of the Back Room . . . - Rattle
At least they have not asked you for blue sky thinking!
The quality of the Back Room . . . - Alby Back
Well, as it happens....
The quality of the Back Room . . . - Armitage Shanks {p}
HB - you may find this link useful in keeping you ahead of the game

www.buzzwords4u.co.uk/

I was a nanosecond ahead of derfel but at least they are different links!

Edited by Armitage Shanks {p} on 05/11/2009 at 19:09

The quality of the Back Room . . . - Derfel
Or leveraging a blue sky solution!

If you ever run short of such ideas, there is a very good corporate gibberish generator here:

www.andrewdavidson.com/gibberish/

The quality of the Back Room . . . - rtj70
Anyone for a game of buzzword bingo. At events at work we sometimes play this.
The quality of the Back Room . . . - Alby Back
Those are both "awesome" websites..Thanks both of you for "upgrading my knowledge base."

I'm going to use as many of those as possible tomorrow. I feel a report coming on.......

;-)
The quality of the Back Room . . . - Pugugly
Well I'll fly it up the flagpole and see how it flutters.....*


* Reggie Perrin 1973.

The quality of the Back Room . . . - rtj70
Reggie Perrin 1973.


Thanks PU. I couldn't work out where I'd heard it and didn't try a Google.

Then again: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Run_it_up_the_flagpole

And did he say:

"Run it up the flagpole, see if the rats desert a sinking ship"

en.wikiquote.org/wiki/The_Fall_and_Rise_of_Reginal...n

Edited by rtj70 on 05/11/2009 at 20:32

The quality of the Back Room . . . - Pugugly
My memory was pre-google - in fact it was pre "search engine"
The quality of the Back Room . . . - rtj70
Which is where I'd have hard it first. :-) Reggie.
The quality of the Back Room . . . - rtj70
Now you're thinking outside the box. :-)
The quality of the Back Room . . . - Manatee
Thank you for sharing that.
The quality of the Back Room . . . - theterranaut
And dont forget the manager who Reggie passed his mantle to- the one and only Gus Hedges!


www.imdb.com/title/tt0098781/quotes

The quality of the Back Room . . . - rtj70
And Drop the Dead Donkey was good. I'm never been sure of Reggie Perrin.

Now (no replies please)... Monty Python was something else.
The quality of the Back Room . . . - Alby Back
Oh I loved Reggie Mk1 Rob. I think I sort of became him in a way at one time. I certainly got the hippopotamus mirages.......Perrinesque stuff was the main reason I became self employed at the time.

Deja Vu.....
The quality of the Back Room . . . - Rattle
One thing I have come to realise that this site is not an ego trip. On some sites you post an opinion then all the sudden you're flamed as if you have just called their mother a certain type of city worker.

I used to moderate a very large forum and used to see it there all the time, lots of trolls. It was not uncomm to see entire threads were most replies by different users all had the same IP address.

I love being self employed it is a world away from blue sky thinking. If I worked for a business I would be sacked for not having enough customers from planet Jupiter.
The quality of the Back Room . . . - rtj70
lots of trolls


And there are none here. Move along nothing to see.

I'm starting to think I should do something different in the near future. Certainly have plans to try to move abroad. If I could come up with an Internet based venture....

The quality of the Back Room . . . - Alby Back
An IT bod I knew resigned to do his own thing. His letter of resignation took the form of a message left on his screen at work....

" Gone Phishing "

Quite....
The quality of the Back Room . . . - Lud
No sane person can take corporate life for long without some damage.

But it's where the money is, or some of it, for some people.

Tried it, couldn't stand it, went respectable in my fashion and have been poor ever since. But lucky I think too up to now anyway.

Sure do miss those pay cheques, pool cars with all expenses paid and expense account no questions asked if you didn't get greedy, write the number at the end of the month and in it came. Of course the actual figures in the mid sixties, especially in the case of a congenital idiot when it comes to financial negotiation, were minuscule by today's standards.
The quality of the Back Room . . . - Rattle
It is all this management waste I really hate. Just seems to be managers managing mangers. This is how the NHS seems to work, my mums friends all work for the NHS and some of the stories you would not believe. Things like a new boss ripping out a brand new (1 month old) carpet because the colour dosn't match their new logo.

Its why my dad left local government in 1997 because it was the same there. You are not allowed to think.

I have come to the conclusion I can never be employed because I will simply refuse to use phrases like "idea shower", "Multi ethnic etc". The main reason I can't do it though is because I cannot sit one place for long enough. I used to work as a CSS coder/designer in an office without any windows!

I probably will get a proper job one day but it will be something very different.

Edited by rtj70 on 05/11/2009 at 23:34

The quality of the Back Room . . . - Lud
managers managing mangers.


Mrs Thatcher got it from that Chicago school carphound, the internal market, of course with paper-shufflers to run each bit of it, and foisted it on the NHS and other state-run or state-owned outfits and services. Creating a cancerous new social stratum.

Poisonous garbage which is now general practice.
The quality of the Back Room . . . - Rattle
I did some business modules at university and we were told that public sector wastage is often done for fiscal reasons. E.g it keeps people in jobs. The government really can't afford to it much longer though. It explains why there is so many departments though.

My mate was one them, he got paid to do nothing but they have tightened it up now and he has to work quite hard to earn money, it was a shock at first though. He works for a government agency (one we all hate!).
The quality of the Back Room . . . - DP
expense account
no questions asked if you didn't get greedy write the number at the end of
the month and in it came.


Those days are long gone, Lud. You're not missing it any more, trust me. :-(
The quality of the Back Room . . . - Lud
I believe you. Haven't been there for ages thank goodness. The businesses I do have dealings with are far nastier and far less efficient than they used to be.
The quality of the Back Room . . . - Stuartli
Politicians always claim that "..the majority of people feel that..." or "the facts of the matter are...", plus "..lessons will be learned"...:-)
The quality of the Back Room . . . - rtj70
I'm guilty of this in this thread.... but drifting a lot aren't we. So we should lock this if we are to retain the quality of the Back Room?
The quality of the Back Room . . . - Stuartli
>>So we should lock this if we are to retain the quality of the Back Room?>>

A bit of humour and a self deprecating attitude isn't too much of a barrier to quality - it's often said that the best of friends insult each other the most because they realise it's just a bit of fun.
The quality of the Back Room . . . - rtj70
If we (including me) debate the quality of the BR then fine. But (me included) have been responsible for thread drift.... and anyway where's the motoring content?

Edited by rtj70 on 05/11/2009 at 23:40

The quality of the Back Room . . . - Lud
Actually this is a veiled political discussion.

Heh heh.
The quality of the Back Room . . . - the swiss tony
and anyway where's the motoring content?


surely as we are discussing the members of a motoring forum, by default that is the motoring content?
The quality of the Back Room . . . - Stuartli
>>... and anyway where's the motoring content?>>

With 123 postings in less than two days the thread is definitely motoring along......:-)
The quality of the Back Room . . . - Rattle
And most of us are posting on computers which contain several motors.
The quality of the Back Room . . . - rtj70
In which case it should be in IHAQ.... there is a reason the long threads when appropriate are put into volumes.

Edited by rtj70 on 05/11/2009 at 23:51

The quality of the Back Room . . . - old crocks
Should we start a new thread "The quantity of the Back Room"?
The quality of the Back Room . . . - Alby Back
I seems we have a non-proximity distance issue here. Perhaps we should all try to park in the same garage without getting tangled round the axles of our debate......
The quality of the Back Room . . . - Altea Ego
we need a non motoring waffle thread, alongs the lines of IHAQ and Computers.
The quality of the Back Room . . . - Derfel
We should be upscaling voluminous networking exchange solutions to result in the achievment of an excellent systemic electronic data interchange synchronization, thereby exploiting technical environments for mission critical broad-based capacity-constrained systems. This will fundamentally cause a morphing into a well designed and actionable information infrastructure whose semantic content is downright null. To more fully clarify the current concept, a few aggregate issues will require addressing to facilitate a distributed communication venue. In integrating non-aligned structures into existing legacy systems, an even more effervescent (bubbly) gateway blueprint in a backward compatible package of tangible and immeasurable strategic value will result in right-sizing the conceptual frameworks, but only when thinking outside the box while driving a Ford Mondeo TDCI.
The quality of the Back Room . . . - perro
>>>We should be upscaling voluminous networking exchange solutions<<<

I haven't the foggiest idea what you're on about comrade Derfel, but it sounds good so I'll go along with it ... Have you ever considered a career in Politics!
The quality of the Back Room . . . - Derfel
I haven't the foggiest idea what you're on about comrade Derfel but it sounds good
so I'll go along with it ... Have you ever considered a career in Politics!


I have no idea what it means either! Or only a vague idea! It is in fact some corporate gibberish picked up on my travels on the Internet slightly adapted to fit the thread.

As for politics, that idea has been kicked into the long grass!
The quality of the Back Room . . . - old crocks

But surely you could claim for a mower on expenses.

Edited by old crocks on 06/11/2009 at 14:13

The quality of the Back Room . . . - perro
>>>I have no idea what it means either!<<<

I sent it on to my wife who's brain is still 75% functional, and she said ~
"the only thing I understood was Ford Mondeo!!!"
The quality of the Back Room . . . - Derfel
I sent it on to my wife who's brain is still 75% functional and she
said ~
"the only thing I understood was Ford Mondeo!!!"

>>
The Ford Mondeo was my main addition to the content!

In essence I don't think it really means anything much but it is a very clever take on both corporate gibberish and technobabble.
The quality of the Back Room . . . - ifithelps
...we need a non motoring waffle thread, alongs the lines of IHAQ and Computers...

That's a no brainer, going forward.
The quality of the Back Room . . . - Alby Back
Big ask though....
The quality of the Back Room . . . - Altea Ego
I was merely trying to facilitate a paradigm shift

Edited by Altea Ego on 06/11/2009 at 10:12

The quality of the Back Room . . . - Altea Ego
TBH its good to see the world of motoring has caught up with the IT industry in its use of acronyms, TLA's even.

Today we now have

HGF, ABS, EBD, DMF, DPF, FAP, EGR etc etc

all designed to spread FUD in those not in the know.

Just like we do in the IT game
The quality of the Back Room . . . - Happy Blue!
Oh Lord! What have I started????????
The quality of the Back Room . . . - Pugugly
There is regular consideration amongst the Mods for a more "open" thread - in fact there was a discussion around three weeks ago and a "light touch" moderation policy was applied to a then running thread - I'll let you try and figure which one it was. The "however" is in actually how much moderating time was taken up in allowing such a thread to run - this thread has attracted minimal moderation by the way - but this is down to self - discipline amongst members but there's a huge amount of creep off topic in it..........None of the Mods have the time to monitor full time, and it is a labour of love....

Edited by Pugugly on 06/11/2009 at 14:55

The quality of the Back Room . . . - Altea Ego
Awww - we feel so loved PU. Honest we do.
The quality of the Back Room - Avant
"Just seems to be managers managing mangers"

This of course shows a weakness in the Christmas story - Joseph's lack of forward planning and proactivity. If he'd right-sized his conceptual framework and run it up his flagpole (i.e. booked a room in the inn in advance) there would be no need for a manger manager: or indeed for the flight into Egypt with Pontius the pilot.

Motoring connection -

"Three kings from Persian lands afar
To Jordan followed the pointing star...."

Presumably the wise men came in a Mercedes. :)
The quality of the Back Room - PhilW
"a weakness in the Christmas story"

Several I think - imagine the scene:-
"Ayup Joe, I'm pregnant"
"Pregnant?? But we've been married some time and you are still a virgin"
"Aye lad, but the Holy Ghost visited upon me - I'm pregnant but still a virgin - and the child will be the son of God. I wonder what we should call him"
"Jeeeesus, Mary, it's a tall story but OK with me, especially since you were conceived immaculately without original sin unlike all us poor sods with our guilty consciences"

I feel a little hefty moderation coming on!
Can't even think of the vaguest motoring connection (although didn't Rolls Royce make a model called the "Holy Ghost"? and another known as the "Holy Spirit??")




The quality of the Back Room - Westpig
PhilW,

You're probably correct....but glad I chanced upon it before it disappears!
The quality of the Back Room - Dipstick
Just poor forward planning on Joseph's part. Everyone knows everywhere's full at Christmas.
The quality of the Back Room - Derfel
In terms of PU's proposal re Open Thread, I think we need to concentrate on conceptualizing the paradigm on this extension to the Back Room and move to Powerpoint ready status for the concept within an aggregated but measureable timeframe. Ultimately in a modern, motoring inspired, web 2.0 based, semantic infrastructure, the concept must have legs and be ready to hit the ground running! It is considered vital to have a heads up re timescale on this one.
The quality of the Back Room - Pugugly
Not a proposal - let's get that straight. It was discussed between the Mods in a virtual meeting and that's it.
The quality of the Back Room - Derfel
Not a proposal - let's get that straight. It was discussed between the Mods in
a virtual meeting and that's it.

Not really meant as a serious response to your post as you doubtless realise - just joining in the general good natured ribbing of modern corporate parlance.
The quality of the Back Room - Pugugly
Just clarifying - otherwise people would jump on the bandwagon !!!
The quality of the Back Room - Derfel
Is that the corporate bandwagon?
The quality of the Back Room - Altea Ego
we call it concensus gathering
The quality of the Back Room - Altea Ego
I knew this starburst would sow the seeds of opportunity.
The quality of the Back Room - Pugugly
www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/6518043/Work...l

Oh dear - it's bound to catch on.