Some backrooomers are assuming the Police to be carrying out certain work which would be "common sense" or "obvious"; however, if you watch appeals for public help on BBC Crimewatch, it often becomes apparent that not all Detectives are always that clever, or in possesion of the "common sense"
Yeah. The dental records of the Soham girl's were requisitoned from their dentist. The police would *not* accept duplicates. Under protest originals were handed over.
2 days later he was asked a second time for the same thing. He told them they already had them. The request was mande twice more!
The records had been lost. They were found *last* week. The police said it made no difference to the IDing of the bodies. If not why did they take them?
They catch speeding offenders even where the transgression has not been reported to them. They don't have the same interest in other crimes.
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It's so easy to assume the plod are doing all humanly possible, but it makes me so sad that half the time they're just looking for the body, and even then they don't get that right. It's always joe public. This weekend I saw old footage in a news item of the Surrey mob doing a fingertip search in a front garden. Six abreast searching a lawn. Forgive me for being stupid, but even I could see she wasn't on that bit of grass.
I'd have more confidence if they actually explored ALL avenues from the first minute. Maybe, just maybe, we'd have Milly back alive, not a body.
It just seems to be, sad as it is, that EVERY time this lot just goes looking for a body. Perhaps one day they'll actually find someone beforehand.
Coming from Redhill, with my partner's family in Byfleet, this whole case makes me very sad.
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"Coming from Redhill"
I'm sitting in Horley as I write. Small world.
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That's what I mean. It's just too close to home.
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>>It just seems to be, sad as it is, that EVERY time this lot just goes looking for a body.
Strange but true.
I have a friend who does this as a service for the police. He is colourblind, and can differentiate between disturbed and undisturbed ground.
He only discovered his 'talent' when he went to do national service, and an eyetest showed his sight problem. He was taken out of his unit, and put into recconaisance (sp?) and flew about in choppers, 'spotting' disturbances which normal eyesight won't see.
He regularly flies over wasteland with the police chopper, 'spotting' things.
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Laguna looks perfect up to, and including, the windscreen, but the rear quarterlight's missing in the spoiler photo.
The lens distortion is a real problem. Wonder if suggested types have been driven past the camera to see how they compare?
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"This weekend I saw old footage in a news item of the Surrey mob doing a fingertip search in a front garden. Six abreast searching a lawn. Forgive me for being stupid, but even I could see she wasn't on that bit of grass."
Does it occur to you that they may have been looking for small items of property i.e. rings, earrings, or a discarded fag end....
"I'd have more confidence if they actually explored ALL avenues from the first minute. Maybe, just maybe, we'd have Milly back alive, not a body."
Real life mis-per enquiries are not that simple. One piece of information released to the public may generate hundreds of calls from a (rightly) concerned public. There were issues in the Soham case which highlighted how badly managed information
released by (note word by) the media led to many blind alleys. This includes members of the public who think that their vital "clue" is being ignored by the Police and then go public.
"....... EVERY time this lot just goes looking for a body. Perhaps one day they'll actually find someone beforehand"
How exactly ?? it would mean combing every square meter of land in an ever increasingly wide circle. Alternative to this is a computer that generates random grid-references and that the entire staff disappear to search it.
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"How exactly ?? it would mean combing every square meter of land in an ever increasingly wide circle. Alternative to this is a computer that generates random grid-references and that the entire staff disappear to search it."
pugugly
Exactly right, and as with my comment on increased mobility the area to be covered is phenomenal within a very short time.
few years ago daughter went unaccounted for, turned out not to be missing but there is another story.
In the time from when we first discovered she was not at the friend's house where she was supposed to be to the time of discovery was ~1 hour.
From time "last seen" to discovery was ~2 hours.
How big do you think the search area would have been in that time from N E Derbyshire. Maybe as far as London? Certainly would have included a few major cities and on both sides of the Pennines plus some fairly inhospitable upland, including those dreadful moors where Hindley and Brady left their victims.
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How exactly ?? it would mean combing every square meter of land in an ever increasingly wide circle. Alternative to this is a computer that generates random grid-references and that the entire staff disappear to search it.
Well on the day after Milly was taken they had enough spare manpower to put a speed camera on a deserted 40 limit way outside a residential area.
If they're overstaffed to that extent I can't see why they don't search everywhere... or even somewhere...
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Dunno, but using twelve cops side by side to search a 20foot wide lawn is ridiculous.
As for how, ninety-odd percent of these bodies are found on council or foresty commission land. Perhaps when kids go missing the heads of these departments should have every bod out looking on their land.
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>>"....... EVERY time this lot just goes looking for a body. >>Perhaps one day they'll actually find someone beforehand"
>>How exactly ?? it would mean combing every square meter of >>land in an ever increasingly wide circle. Alternative to this >>is a computer that generates random grid-references and that >>the entire staff disappear to search it.
Dunno, Pugugly, but using twelve cops side by side to search a 20foot wide lawn is ridiculous. Smacks of overkill.
As for how, ninety-odd percent of these bodies are found on council or foresty commission land. Perhaps when kids go missing the heads of these departments should have every bod out looking on their land.
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>>How exactly ??
Just heard a classic.
A mate once had a warrent out for him for 8 months.
He'd been speeding and changed adresses. The VRO on the car hadn't be altered and didn't feature his new address.
After failing to get the NIP he failed to attend court and a warrent was put out for him.
However his correct address had been on his driving license & on the VRO of a second car.
Even with two correct addresses for him the police had been unable to track him down. In the end they stopped him to give him a 7 day wonder and he found out that way.
With 8 minths and his home address they couldn't find him... Useless. (But funny)
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>>How exactly ??
Just heard a classic.
A mate once had a warrent out for him for 8 months.
He'd been speeding and changed adresses. The VRO on the car hadn't be altered and didn't feature his new address.
After failing to get the NIP he failed to attend court and a warrent was put out for him.
However his correct address had been on his driving license & on the VRO of a second car.
Even with two correct addresses for him the police had been unable to track him down. In the end they stopped him to give him a 7 day wonder and he found out that way.
With 8 months and his home address they couldn't find him... Useless. (But funny)
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Dom F,
Obviously you've never been involved with forensics. Believe me, as one who has had to do it for real, the smallest thing can lead to a breakthrough.
Equally a size 9 Police Doc Martens inappropriately placed can destroy some vital evidence or make it inadmissable. Surely its better to eliminate an area as yielding no evidence.
OK I accept it is your opinion that 12 cops to search a 20ft lawn is ridiculous "overkill" (unfortunate choice of words their might I suggest), that is your view but one with which I happen to disagree quite strongly.
For example traffic crash, claim from one participant that the other vehicle had no lights on. Examine a broken bulb, very easy to establish if the bulb was illuminated at the time of the crash. Just one very low tech on-topic example of how the facts and guilt or otherwise can be established.
Forensics are the TRUE detectives, biased opinion I know.
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DOH! for "their" I mean "there"
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Now if you'd had twelve proof readers looking at your post before you sent it, that probably wouldn't have happened ;-)
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I thought it a vectra too. Now I think it looks like a Skoda Octavia. Or even the latest shape Hyundai Coupes?
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I think that the dark car is a Mitsubishi, maybe a LHD EVO? The spoiler and headlights look like Subaru WRX, but the wheelbase looks too long. The other looks like a Mercedes 190E.
El Dingo (Martin).
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If it is a 1998-2000 Renault Laguna, I seem to recall Renault offered a special edition model to tie-in with their Touring Cars at the time. This model had circular front fog lights, but also came with extra spacers to be fitted at the sides of the rear spoiler, elevating the spoiler so it appeared much higher, rather like the one in the CCTV pictures. About the same time, Alfa Romeo did the same thing with the 155, but I definitely remember seeing a handful of Lagunas with an extra-high spoiler.
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Just a request, for knowledgable people to keep posting on this, please.
It's great that so many of you are trying - may I ask, even if it seems that it's not getting anywhere, that you keep it up please?
If there's even the remotest chance of one of you knowledgable people out there making a difference, then it's worth it.
Thank you.
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the picture seems to have shortened and heightened the cars.
Bearing this in mind, its not the slightly older style MR2 is it ?
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Hj thanks for writing this - I myself had wanted to post something (again)to remind people that their help might be crucial in this.
And I was wondering what to say - didn't want this to become some forgotten post, and left, and unread by any more people - so I'm really glad you've brought it to the fore again - where it deserves to be.
And yes, it defies belief if the Mercedes driver has still not come forward.Is this because that person is guilty, or because that person does not care, or, like you say HJ just that they were talking on their mobe at the time/applying their make-up,whatever - and they didn't notice what was happening.
I don't know, I cannot judge. What I CAN judge is if there's people out there, in our country, walking the streets if they have done this crime, and, anyone who is protecting hem/lying for them etc - then those people deserve to be punished. Since this is a motoring site I won't mention how I think they should be punished - but I guess a lot of people think the same way as I do in these cases. And yet the law never changes.
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I saw 3 cars yesterday with wide rear spoilers..
Rover ZS 180
Lexus 200
Escort
All 3 could have been the car in the fuzzy picture. Despite the distinctive spoiler the police do not have any easyjob.
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HJ,
quick question if you don't mind.....
part of me thinks, that if I pose a question every now and again on this thread - well then it will remind people, and maybe people will start remembering (which so many people here have done already, and so much credit to them)
For which reason I would appreciate this thread being kept open, but will also bow to your superior knowledge on this - and I know this touches very close to home with you - still I feel if anyone can come up with something then it's worth doing - HJ thanks for listening, thanks for your time - same to everybody else here.
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Just posting this so that the thread goes back top of the list.
HJ if that is wrong of me then please let me know, just thought if there's any new visitors here, with the remotest possibility to help, then they aren't necessarily going to look back into past files, not immediately anyway - I know I keep labouring this point but if I can keep it open, with your agreement HJ, then I will.
Thanks for listening.
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Just posting this so that the thread goes back top of the list.
Trouble is, this thread has got so long now, that it can take quite a while to load if you have a slow internet connection. Will people wait for it to load, or hit the cancel button out of sheer boredom?
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I can thin it down if you want.
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Yes please Mark, good idea - maybe just keep the posts that actually have technical information as to the possible identity of the car?
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Yes please Mark, good idea - maybe just keep the posts that actually have technical information as to the possible identity of the car?
Mark was being funny!
To keep the thread short it's best to post a brand new thread with a link to this one.
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Oh. Sorry, didn't realise.
I don't know how to post a thread with a link to this one, would someone mind doing it for me please?
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OK guys.
The new thread is here:
www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?f=2&t=77...3
No need to continue to add to this giant.
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I wasn't actually.
But thanks for starting the new thread, I shall lock this one.
M.
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