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I quite like the idea of the new Legacy diesel estate. Does seem a lot of car for the money. Can't help thinking I'd need to buy a posh dog to go with it though.
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Posh dog ? Surely that would be a Hush Puppy !
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Just the pooch for an upmarket shoe-ting brake. ( I am so sorry )
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Yeah, but JC is a bit of a badge snob ....... :)
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Just read the JC review. Loves the car, hates the engine.
If you spend most of your time driving Veyrons and the like, I suppose a derv engine may be a bit of a comedown......... but the rest of us live in the real world.
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I read a piece that said that its engine was quieter than a RR Phantom (until you drove it and the pillarless windows made more noise). Anyway in the article it said that Scooby were working on a 177bhp and 204bhp four and possibly a 240bhp six 3.0 and a 300bhp six 3.6
they also said that an auto was coming along with a DSG.
Quite like the idea of the 204bhp two litre and have earmarked an Outback (in a more powerful variant than the current one) to replace my 530dT
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Auto Express have just done a small group test with the Legacy Diesel and a SAAB 9-3 www.autoexpress.co.uk/carreviews/grouptests/219672...t
s_tourer.html
Worryingly their fuel consumption for the Subaru was just 33.6mpg compared with a claimed 49.6!! If verified in other tests this might well put me off, just as the petrol fuel consumption has in the past. Got a test drive next week though...
{link to rival publication made non clickable}
Edited by Dynamic Dave on 03/04/2008 at 19:54
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Had your test drive yet? I think the Legacy is a brilliant car, and on paper, the new diesel should be an absolute winner: a permanent-4WD estate, very well-equipped in standard form (there's no options list - it doesn't need one), 150BHP, 0-62 in 8.9 sec, 49.6 mpg combined. Amazing spec! On the road, if you can keep it above 2000rpm, all is well. But...below 2000rpm, it feels quite dead and is easily caught floundering. Pulling quickly out of a junction needs some practice and lots of revs. I also need a tow car, and I'm not confident the Legacy diesel will fit the bill, given these characteristics. I think Subaru has almost pulled off the impossible, but not quite at the first attempt.
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I had a test drive this morning in an Outback diesel. The ride was noticeably more comfortable - less jiggly - than the diesel CR-V. The only time it felt a bit flat was from 1500 revs in 5th - I was in the wrong gear, but it still pulled smoothly away.
A bit more wind noise than I expected at motorway speed, and a slightly raspy exhaust note was noticeable - but a very comfortable car that I'd be very happy with.
Now I just need to decide whether to do the sensible thing, and keep the CR-V for another year or two, to buy the diesel Legacy or Outback with no discount, or go for a petrol Legacy/Outback auto with a big discount.
The problem is that I want 4WD, reasonable CO2 and economy, and preferably an automatic gearbox, so some compromise is required. Much as I like the Legacy/Outback diesel, it doesn't have the auto so I'll probably keep the CR-V and hope Subaru do an auto in the next year or two.
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The new Subaru Diesels are fine, particularly the Outback range - base R model is best - with UK cars expect fuel economy +10% over the urban figures (44mpg ) offset by limited dealership high cost of servicing .
Bear in mind with Subaru their USA prices equivalent to £12k for abrand new car, even less in japan for a super spec'd Tourer.
If you need to buy then wait for 12-18 months - prices should reach corrected levels.
Or why not save your money and wait for the Subaru R1 electric shopping car?
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Alas, no test drive - the dealer sold their only car!!!!!! Seems a bit pointless since they don't know when their next one is due. Fortunately, we have three, yes three, Subaru dealers within striking distance, so will just have to try with one of the others.
Agree with the point from ukjazz though, and will probably wait until prices settle, as I'm sure they will. Just have to keep my aging 328i going!
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I have test driven the new Outback DIESEL and WILL BE BUYING ONE.
After three Subaru's, the current 10 years form new Outback 2.5 litre auto, I was impressed enough and p------d off enough after waiting 6 years, to actually set about the purchasing process.
I was offered an insulting trade in price for my petrol, excellent condition, Outback and am in the process of getting it ready for private sale, after which I will set about what passes for current day car salesmen and "negotiate" a cash purchase with sensible delivery promise in the colour I want.
Has anybody else experienced the current sales "attitude" ?
Its ten years since my last personal car purchase and the goalposts have been completely replaced with a team of idiots who believe that they are doing me a favour by "letting me have" one of their cars.
My second choice is a Maserati Quatroporte and to keep my Outback which is good for at least another 100K miles.
No new car is "good enough" to be rationed or begged for, not even the new Subaru diesel, and it is NOT as Clarkson describes it, an electric pencil sharpener, neither does it sound like a diesel even when its stone cold. Oh yeah and there is NO wind noise from the frameless windows (not "pillarless") as some motoring journalist Wally described them.
Yep, good car, will suit me for towing, shooting, shopping and driving the round trips of 120 miles for fishing and 260 miles to me other home. HOWEVER, so would the Maserati and that is STYLE unmatched by most anything else.
Anyone want to argue or confirm they have had the same treatment by car sales staff ?
Edited by Dynamic Dave on 20/04/2008 at 20:53
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Sounds like you have dealership lead by Sales people not interested in Customers Service
Recommended route:
Sell your vehicle privately
Try another dealership
Most discount around £1k to £1.5k
Dealers only have 24 cars each this year
Outback outselling the Leagcy tourer
Good Luck & happy motoring
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Managed to get a reasonable test drive in a Legacy Diesel and liked it very much. However, the salesman said that because he could sell every one he could get at least twice that no discounts will be available! The only thing he could do was a deal on any accessories that might be added!
Interested to see that ukjazz reckons discounts of £1k to £1.5k are available - any examples?
Suffice to say, I think I will be waiting a while before taking the plunge.
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Discounts from Subarusupersavers, Civil Service Motoring Club =- free membership,
+ wait 3-4 months when people really slow down with luxury purchases
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He was vaguely complementary about the 530 diesel....if I remember rightly.
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To be vaguely complimentary about the BMW 6 pot diesel engine is like being vaguely complimentary about a lunch consisting of scollops, fresh lobster, Aberdeen Angus steak and cornish dairy ice cream !
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The IMF reckons the UK will be in recession in 2009 due to house prices, food inflation and oil and gas prices -- and council tax increases.
The period after January.. Christmas to be paid for etc and redundancies in new year is usually grim.. So plan for March 2009.
I have cash put by for "bargain" purchases. The ones where a once in a 20 year period when someone HAS to sell and NO-ONE wants to buy. (We bought our current house like that in 1982 in a recession as house prices fell..).
I expect to see some really serious bargains late 2008 and first half 2009.
Like new cars with one owner and six months old for under 50% of list price.
Believe me, it's going to get very rough. Taxing the poor will not help either.
Edited by madf on 24/04/2008 at 15:00
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I expect to see some really serious bargains late 2008 and first half 2009. Like new cars with one owner and six months old for under 50% of list price. Believe me it's going to get very rough. Taxing the poor will not help either.
I think you are right. Taxing the rich might help a bit though (i.e. some of the current crop of banking directors who have so royally screwed everything up for us). Although unfortunately it seems the banks (which are private companies) are going to be getting a lot of help from the taxpayer - a sort of 'socialism for the rich' in which they get to keep any profits and we get to fund any losses. Such is the way of the world at present.
I think middling and bottom-end 'prestige' cars will take a hit. These are mainly bought by the 'affluent' middle classes, much of whose 'affluence' comes in the form of borrowings and mortgage equity withdrawal. Reckon there might be a few estate agents downsizing their cars too :-)
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"Reckon there might be a few estate agents downsizing their cars too :-)"
As house sales are down 50%, that's a surefire bet...
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Yes, this will mean a glut of MINIs on the market with residuals suffering as a result!
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As house sales are down 50% that's a surefire bet...
Every cloud....
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