with the number of cameras already following me, and logging the reg number whenever i go, it really is getting out of hand
1984 is coming all too true
i spent today in what must have been the most over policed half mile in england, half a dozen police bikes, lots of cars marked and unmarked, vans full of them, more police on the streets than normal folk, very strange exprience, no idea what was going on, they were however very hot on stopping people for no tax disk, since i was on foot it was hilarious to be wandering around in among all this, probably a copper beaten up there recently or something - no idea, anyways am pleased to say was let to my wandering around business and have no been locked up without trial on a politicans say so
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Don't forget, manatee, in the UK alone you have six million people on the public payroll, with their associated pensions and benefits to fund, with many many millions more in Europe. They have to keep coming up with stuff like this, otherwise they'd have to get jobs where they're forced to design, build or sell actual products and services people could use, which is much harder.
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Yet more expensive, interfering and unnecessary nannying - is there nothing we can take responsibility for ourselves?
I think that the point of this is that it will summon help precisely when you are incapable of doing so i.e. unconscious in a car leaking fuel. But maybe I'm wrong
with the number of cameras already following me, and logging the reg number whenever i go, it really is getting out of hand >>
I really don't follow this argument, does it matter? Do you think that someone is really that interested in what you get up to?
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Universal Declaration of Human Rights
Article 12
No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.
As far as I am concerned the nanny state plotting my position at all times is an arbitary interference with my privacy
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Universal Declaration of Human Rights Article 12 No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks. As far as I am concerned the nanny state plotting my position at all times is an arbitary interference with my privacy
so how do they know it's you in that car and that you haven't loaned it to me ... i actually agree in principle with what your saying just think maybe your a bit paranoid...cheers...keo
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the nanny state plotting the position of my car, whether im in it or not, is also an arbitary interference with my privacy
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the nanny state plotting the position of my car, whether im in it or not, is also an arbitary interference with my privacy
i am trying to point out that because they can do something doesn't mean they actually will or at least not specifically ...cheers...keo
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I don't think that the system will plot your whereabouts all of the time, only if activated by an accident.
Of course with a system like that it could always be overidden and activated on demand...
John, do you carry a mobile phone? If you do then the state already has the power to track your every move to an accuracy of within a couple of hundred feet anyway, all they have to do is cross-reference the cell site information. It's a straightforward procedure which can be used to trace 999 callers from mobile phones under certain circumstances. I don't see that as any different to having a GPS system linked to a mobile phone built into the car.
I personally wouldn't mind having this installed in my car, I like the idea of getting help at the touch of a single button, I used to have my bluetooth car kit set-up with 999 on speed dial and found it quite useful on one occasion.
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"Law enforcement also love it, if they want to eavesdrop on you, they simply have Onstar turn on the system in your car and they can hear everything you say, wherever you go!"
Of course that is the real reason they want it, one by one, they are taking away our liberties to "crack down on crime" and "fight axis of evil (imaginary or otherwise). They are creating the problems and selling us their solutions. Sheep-like people will bleat up the usual "I've done nothing wrong, I have nothing to fear" that they heard on the TV. Once all liberties are lost, the plan will commense, and there will be nothing we can do about it at all.
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I think that the point of this is that it willsummon help precisely when you are incapable of doing so i.e. unconscious in a car leaking fuel. But maybe I'm wrong
I'm sure you're not wrong mare, but this will probably help 2 or 3 people a year and is a disproportionate answer to an almost non-existent problem. It's a bit like the "save a life at any cost" demands for railway safety - you can spend a couple of billion to save a handful of lives a year when a tiny fraction of that amount will have the same benefit spent on road safety.
And unlike rail safety, if anyone is seriously worried about going off the road in an isolated place and being unable to summon help, they can buy their own emergency kit.
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All mobile phones sold in the last couple of years have E911 chips or better for locating the user, as soon as you phone for help, they know where you are anyway, even the AA use this and say we know where you are and to leave your phone on. This latest proposal is just another nail in the coffin of freedom, by control freak governments, it will be used to gather data about the movements and associations of their opponents such as Potter's Bar rail survivors, Liberty and Livelihood, Countryside Alliance, Fuel Protesters, Tibetan Protesters etc....
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All mobile phones sold in the last couple of years have E911 chips or better for locating the user, as soon as you phone for help, they know where you are anyway, even the AA use this and say we know where you are and to leave your phone on. This latest proposal is just another nail in the coffin of freedom, by control freak governments, it will be used to gather data about the movements and associations of their opponents such as Potter's Bar rail survivors, Liberty and Livelihood, Countryside Alliance, Fuel Protesters, Tibetan Protesters etc....
Boy, are you paranoid or what?
I really do not give a stuff that someone somewhere can detect that i was in the pub yesterday lunchtime, or in the chip shop the other night. So what, it says more than about them that they're interested than that i am worried about it.
Back to motoring. I don't care that someone somewhere knows that my car (and therefore me) travelled from Bath to Bristol, to Weston super Mare (brief pause on the seafront) and then back to Bath for 11. So what!??!
I DO care that should i have carelessly driven off the cliffs on the toll road in Weston, or ended up upside down either side of the A368, that something in my car has summoned for help, and i can concentrate (if i'm still with it) on getting me and the family out. An emergency kit is no good if it's in the boot, and a mobile phone is no good if it's fallen out of my pocket and gone under the seat. None of it is any use if my leg is trapped in the crushed footwell and i'm screaming my head off in pain.
Look on the bright side. If the bogeymen from the Department of Making People's Lives Misery come to get you, you will be able to demonstrate that you were nowhere near the alleged incident at the time by virtue of the fact that you had your mobile phone on you, won't you.
There really are other things to worry about, but you carry on worrying about intrustion etc, and I'll worry about my next pint and pay cheque.
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Freedom is the ultimate thing to worry about!
Lets not forget millions of people gave away their lives so that we could have it.
If technology can do something, the authorities will use it if they can to justify their own existence and obtain more revenue from "law breakers". It is up to us to stop them creeping the boundary forward.
My view is they cannot put auto tracking on all cars as the gneral public would go mad. Therefore they sneak it in with auto 999 or whatever it will be called, leave it a year and then say anyone facing a ban gets his sentence reduced if he is a good boy and has the device fitted then all of a sudden it is obligatory.
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Politicians hate freedom, it makes them nervous. Being able to track every vehicle movement to the metre gives them a feeling of total control, which they like.
As for this "if you've nothing to hide, you've nothing to fear" argument, anyone who goes through their entire life with nothing to hide really should get out more.
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As for this "if you've nothing to hide, you've nothing to fear" argument, anyone who goes through their entire life with nothing to hide really should get out more.
That made me laugh!
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That made me laugh!
And me ... I shall remember that for future use!
Seriously, there has been a steady erosion of motoring and other liberty. No individual step has ever been large enough to cause controversy, but the progress made has been significant.
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My point entirely!
If they (politicians, EU etc) were honest and did it all straight away, there would be an outcry. Hence the guerilla tactics, picking off an odd group here, solving a non-existent "problem" there....after a number of years they have got what they want.
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